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Originally Posted by FRPLG

It isn't. The N word is universally regarded as demeaning. Redskins is not in any way considered as such (except maybe to football sensibilities at times). There could be some people who don't like the term. But you can find some people to not like anything.

Saving a choking baby? You can find some people who don't like it.
Capitalism? Some don't like it.
Smootsmack? Njall doesn't like him.

Just because a few don't like it doesn't make it wrong. Now if they could prove a culturally significant group of unignorable size thought it was offensive then maybe I could understand.

So the offensive level of a term is dependent upon the number of people who are offended by it? That's interesting. So therefore a derogatory term would no longer be derogatory following an effective genocide of those people? Worth considering when we refer to the "few" who are offended by the term Redskins.

Let's stop being foolish. Redskins is an unfortunate nickname. As lifetime fans of the team, we don't want to see a name change, but lets not try to justify our selfishness by denying the derogatory nature of the moniker.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Coff

So the offensive level of a term is dependent upon the number of people who are offended by it? That's interesting. So therefore a derogatory term would no longer be derogatory following an effective genocide of those people? Worth considering when we refer to the "few" who are offended by the term Redskins.

Let's stop being foolish. Redskins is an unfortunate nickname. As lifetime fans of the team, we don't want to see a name change, but lets not try to justify our selfishness by denying the derogatory nature of the moniker.

So if one person finds something "offensive" then it is so? I think that's more interesting. In fact I find your screen name offensive. Please change it.

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

So if one person finds something "offensive" then it is so? I think that's more interesting. In fact I find your screen name offensive. Please change it.

If you carefully review the logic of my statement, you'll find that is exactly what I'm NOT saying. You're reversing the syllogism, which is a fallible argument.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Coff

So the offensive level of a term is dependent upon the number of people who are offended by it? That's interesting. So therefore a derogatory term would no longer be derogatory following an effective genocide of those people? Worth considering when we refer to the "few" who are offended by the term Redskins.

Let's stop being foolish. Redskins is an unfortunate nickname. As lifetime fans of the team, we don't want to see a name change, but lets not try to justify our selfishness by denying the derogatory nature of the moniker.

Who exactly are you speaking for?

[Zerohero]

We used to have to go to the Super Bowl to get all this fuss, miss those days.

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Who exactly are you speaking for?

Lifetime fans of the team, as in "As lifetime fans of the team, we don't want to see a name change." Maybe I'm being presumptuous, but I just assumed that no die hard fans ever want to see a name change. The bigger point I'm making is that to approach this topic from an objective standpoint rather than as Redskins fans may give us a different outlook, but that's not going to happen if people are more concerned with defending the team's nickname than discovering the true meaning of the word. Whether or not the term is offensive is hardly an argument. Redskin fans and many other people may not think it is, but lexicographers are pretty much in agreement. From Webster's to the American Heritage Dictionary, the term is labelled "offensive." I haven't been able to locate the definition through the OED, the be all and end all of English language dictionaries, but according to Wikipedia (admittedly not a credible source), the OED also considers the word offensive.

Look, I'm just being honest with myself; I can accept the opinion of objective experts who consider the term offensive while at the same time defend the team in keeping the name.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Coff

So the offensive level of a term is dependent upon the number of people who are offended by it?

You can't merrily cater to everyone, at some point people are going to have to grow a spine or get thicker skin.

Originally Posted by Coff

That's interesting. So therefore a derogatory term would no longer be derogatory following an effective genocide of those people?

Cool! I'm on board. In honor of your idea we'll call it the 'For Coff Redskins' Project. Deal?

Redskins is NOT a racial slur. Never was. No Professional team has been named a derogatory term because you're trying to sell stuff and present an inspiring image. How would that make any sense?