Would you rather be 0-2

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No one would rather be 0-2, of course. The difference between us scoring 9 points and winning and the Patriots scoring 9 points and losing is that the Pats were facing the Brian Schottenheimer led Jets offense!!!!

Seriously though, the difference is that history (the past year and a half) says the 9 points was an anomaly for the Patriots and they will bounce back with relative ease. I don't think we've found that confidence yet with our Redskins

Agreed about what history says. Speaking of history, going to back the second half of last season, we're 3-7, and seem to have all of the same problems with nearly identical personnel. Turnovers are few, sacks seem awfully tough to come by, we can't score touchdowns to save our lives, and we have an old, injury prone O-line with terrible depth.

I was listening to 980am today on the way home from BWI, and I've spent the last hour or so reading this board. I've seen and heard a bunch of "it's only 2 games" comments. It's not 2 games, it's 10. No more excuses. Kevin Sheehan said how "we're so close to finding those game changing sacks and turnovers," and "getting hung up on only scoring 9 points is a shortsighted view." I strongly disagree. The time is now. This current regime has had 9 preseason and 18 regular season games to figure it out, and it's not coming together. This isn't horseshoes. I don't give a damn about "close."

I'm SO SICK of hearing crap like, "gosh our offense can really move the ball, but..." No more buts. We don't score. We just don't. Points win games, not yards. It needs to change right away.

I think Zorn's leash can be measured in inches, not feet right now. Get it together or get out JZ. My patience is gone.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed about what history says. Speaking of history, going to back the second half of last season, we're 3-7, and seem to have all of the same problems with nearly identical personnel. Turnovers are few, sacks seem awfully tough to come by, we can't score touchdowns to save our lives, and we have an old, injury prone O-line with terrible depth.

I was listening to 980am today on the way home from BWI, and I've spent the last hour or so reading this board. I've seen and heard a bunch of "it's only 2 games" comments. It's not 2 games, it's 10. No more excuses. Kevin Sheehan said how "we're so close to finding those game changing sacks and turnovers," and "getting hung up on only scoring 9 points is a shortsighted view." I strongly disagree. The time is now. This current regime has had 9 preseason and 18 regular season games to figure it out, and it's not coming together.

I'm SO SICK of hearing crap like, "gosh our offense can really move the ball, but..." No more buts. We don't score. We just don't. Points win games, not yards. It needs to change right away.

I think Zorn's leash can be measured in inches, not feet right now. Get it together or get out JZ. My patience is gone.

we won didn't we?

last year at the end of the season, we were not moving the ball effectively, especially, from the 50 to the 20, and Zorn in the offseason said he was focusing on fixing that. we moved the ball effectively in both games in that area of the field.

I would call it medium rare right now. a little more seasoning, and we might get some well done out of it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

we won didn't we?

last year at the end of the season, we were not moving the ball effectively, especially, from the 50 to the 20, and Zorn in the offseason said he was focusing on fixing that. we moved the ball effectively in both games in that area of the field.

I would call it medium rare right now. a little more seasoning, and we might get some well done out of it.

I think it was you that mentioned this before, but there's a big difference between an offense that sees it's long drives fizzle out on the edge of FG range, and one that gets inside the ten before things fall apart.

The difference, of course, is that in spite of the playcalling, the Redskins got three throws into the end zone yesterday (1 of them by Portis), and had a 0% success rate. Keep getting 3-5 throws into the end zone a game and we're going to beat a lot of teams.

Last year, we usually had one or two drives into the red zone in a game, and thusly, 20 points would have been a solid effort. Now, we're on the verge of 3 TDs a game, and while that doesn't sound like much, it's the difference between 16 PPG (1 TD, 3 FG) and 24 PPG (3 TD, 1 FG), if we execute.

The point is we didn't just make it inside the red zone 4 times, we made it inside the ten 4 times.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

we won didn't we?

last year at the end of the season, we were not moving the ball effectively, especially, from the 50 to the 20, and Zorn in the offseason said he was focusing on fixing that. we moved the ball effectively in both games in that area of the field.

I would call it medium rare right now. a little more seasoning, and we might get some well done out of it.

Sure, we beat a god awful team by 2 in our house and didn't score a TD. The week before we lost to a Giants team that played a pretty mediocre game. We play like this the rest of the way and .500 is a stretch.

From the 50 to the 20? So what? Again, points win games, not yards. Zorn should be focused on fixing moving the ball from wherever our possession begins to the endzone.

We were just barely good enough to beat a doormat. Even during our 6-2 start last year, our largest margin of victory was 8 over the winless Lions. Even when "successful" in this offense points have been scarce, and it doesn't look a ton better right now.

Moving the ball well outside of the redzone only to stall repeatedly doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GMScud

We beat a god awful team by 2 in our house and didn't score a TD. From the 50 to the 20? So what? Again, points win games, not yards. Zorn should be focused on fixing moving the ball from wherever our possession begins to the endzone.

We were just barely good enough to beat a doormat. Even during our 6-2 start last year, our largest margin of victory was 8 over the winless Lions. Even when "successful" in this offense points have been scarce, and it doesn't look a ton better right now.

Moving the ball well outside of the redzone only stall repeatedly doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies.

the goal is to win. we did that yesterday.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

the goal is to win. we did that yesterday.

No disrespect dude, but that's a lame fall back excuse for a team that is really really struggling.

I'll take the win of course, and I'm glad we're not 0-2, but I have basically no confidence in our offense. Have you looked at the second half of our schedule? We're gonna get kicked into the dirt if we don't turn it around. Fortunately we play some less than stellar teams over the course of the next month. We'll see.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GMScud

No disrespect dude, but that's a lame fall back excuse for a team that is really really struggling.

I'll take the win of course, and I'm glad we're not 0-2, but I have basically no confidence in our offense. Have you looked at the second half of our schedule? We're gonna get kicked into the dirt if we don't turn it around. Fortunately we play some less than stellar teams over the course of the next month. We'll see.

It wasn't an excuse, you sit pounding your chest saying that the point is to get into the endzone. Who cares about yards. Who cares about drives, or the fact that last year we didn't even get in the red zone, blah blah blah. So I raised the stakes. The ultimate point is to win, I gives a hoot in the final tally if it's 31-26, 16-7, 33-31, or 9-7. We scored more, we won. IF we had needed a FG and our last two drives stalled at the 4, and we lost, I am all with ya. But We didn't, We NEEDED to make the Rams drive the whole field.

so I made the bottom line statement. we won.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It wasn't an excuse, you sit pounding your chest saying that the point is to get into the endzone. Who cares about yards. Who cares about drives, or the fact that last year we didn't even get in the red zone, blah blah blah. So I raised the stakes. The ultimate point is to win, I gives a hoot in the final tally if it's 31-26, 16-7, 33-31, or 9-7. We scored more, we won. IF we had needed a FG and our last two drives stalled at the 4, and we lost, I am all with ya. But We didn't, We NEEDED to make the Rams drive the whole field.

so I made the bottom line statement. we won.

You're right. And we're 3-7 in our last 10 games, and have looked pretty sloppy overall. If your bottom line is winning games, then you shouldn't really be pleased. That 3-7 could easily be 7-3 if we could find the endzone more often once we get inside the 20. My point.

I'm happy we came out with a W, but not pleased with the way we played. We dominated the stat sheet numerous times last year and still couldn't put anyone away. Looks like more of the same if you ask me.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed about what history says. Speaking of history, going to back the second half of last season, we're 3-7, and seem to have all of the same problems with nearly identical personnel. Turnovers are few, sacks seem awfully tough to come by, we can't score touchdowns to save our lives, and we have an old, injury prone O-line with terrible depth.

I was listening to 980am today on the way home from BWI, and I've spent the last hour or so reading this board. I've seen and heard a bunch of "it's only 2 games" comments. It's not 2 games, it's 10. No more excuses. Kevin Sheehan said how "we're so close to finding those game changing sacks and turnovers," and "getting hung up on only scoring 9 points is a shortsighted view." I strongly disagree. The time is now. This current regime has had 9 preseason and 18 regular season games to figure it out, and it's not coming together. This isn't horseshoes. I don't give a damn about "close."

I'm SO SICK of hearing crap like, "gosh our offense can really move the ball, but..." No more buts. We don't score. We just don't. Points win games, not yards. It needs to change right away.

I think Zorn's leash can be measured in inches, not feet right now. Get it together or get out JZ. My patience is gone.

This post is excellent. It is exactly how I feel about the Jim Zorn Redskins of this year and last year.
Yes, the sky is not falling. I am not panicking.
I am frustrated to see a talented Redskins team not perform up to their talent level. That is on the coaches and the players.
Many people get upset on this site when the Redskins do not get the respect from the national media in power rankings or other print.
Well taking a "win is a win" attitude is not going to gain you respect. Playing good/sound football will. Even if you lose to a really good team but you play well, there is nothing to be ashamed of. I was embarrassed as a Redskins fan on Sunday. I hope not to say this against the Lions.
I hope the offense finds its spark and the pass rush becomes consistent and ferocious. We are so close to being a really good team. Campbell and Zorn's necks are stretched out right now. It is do or die time for them as Redskins.