Lighten Up On Snyder

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I got on the waiting list 3 or 4 years ago and at that time I was like #110,000 in line. Things may have changed since then.
BTW, do you consider yourself a Skins fan?

I have never been on a season ticket list and got called by the Redskisn and offered season tickets, twice. Yes he is a Redskins fan, are you? I bet he spent way more cash on this franchise than you have.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I have never been on a season ticket list and got called by the Redskisn and offered season tickets, twice. Yes he is a Redskins fan, are you? I bet he spent way more cash on this franchise than you have.

That's what is wrong with our Snyder and our franchise.

How can money be a mark of your fanhood? Money doesn't make you fan...if so Bill Gates would only reserve the right to be called the biggest fan in the world.

Eff all that. It's not about money. It's about time and effort (non-monetary effort).

The question is what is Dan Snyder doing modern day to help that doesn't involve tons of money???...I don't know the answer do you?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

That's what is wrong with our Snyder and our franchise.

How can money be a mark of your fanhood? Money doesn't make you fan...if so Bill Gates would only reserve the right to be called the biggest fan in the world.

Eff all that. It's not about money. It's about time and effort (non-monetary effort).

The question is what is Dan Snyder doing modern day to help that doesn't involve tons of money???...I don't know the answer do you?

What do you want him to do?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you want him to do?

Hire a humble GM who is esteemed in the NFL and then sit back and watch him work.

Evaluate that GM's performance after he has archived calculatable results. Only make ownership decisions to keep that GM after his results have been tallied. That is the only on field decisions I want Snyder making.

Snyder can have any other annicillary financial decision that involves the team just not the ones that affect anything on the field.

All of those I've just mentioned would really cost Snyder minimally and Snyder would only have to pay in swallowed pride. Tell Snyder to keep the money in his pockets and his influence in the box and that will end up being the final answer to everything.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Hire a humble GM who is esteemed in the NFL and then sit back and watch him work.

Evaluate that GM's performance after he has archived calculatable results. Only make ownership decisions to keep that GM after his results have been tallied. That is the only on field decisions I want Snyder making.

Snyder can have any other annicillary financial decision that involves the team just not the ones that affect anything on the field.

All of those I've just mentioned would really cost Snyder minimally and Snyder would only have to pay in swallowed pride. Tell Snyder to keep the money in his pockets and his influence in the box and that will end up being the final answer to everything.

Bingo! That is what Rooney's do in Pittsburgh and Kraft does in NE. That is how successful franchises operate. That is also why a once over active owner in hockey, Ted Leonsis, stepped aide and stayed in the box and out of personnel. Guess what, the Caps franchise is now in good shape for the next 5 to 7 years.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Hire a humble GM who is esteemed in the NFL and then sit back and watch him work....

YES PLEASE!
Snyder has tried everything else.
I am not sure what it will take for Snyder to try this approach?
After barely beating the Rams 9-7 and then losing to the Lions in back to back weeks, I think Snyder's ego has to be at an all time low.

Serious Question: In your opinion, what has to happen this year for Snyder to fire Cerratto and this coaching staff, and hire a new GM?
We are not a playoff team. Is playing below .500 ball and not making the playoffs for a second year enough to get them fired?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you want him to do?

Smack, for starters he should/could first consider hiring a credible GM to head-up the day to day operation of the team. As a matter of fact, there's a good man waiting for a call that he fired 10 yrs. ago, and despite that fact I believe he'd still be willing to come back and work for the organization.

He should not be selecting players for the team even though it's his team. He's a marketing executive picking football players, I must be missing something because I don't see the connection. He even admitted he made a mistake in firing Casserly, no better time than now to rectify the mistake.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Smack, for starters he should/could first consider hiring a credible GM to head-up the day to day operation of the team. As a matter of fact, there's a good man waiting for a call that he fired 10 yrs. ago, and despite that fact I believe he'd still be willing to come back and work for the organization.

He should not be selecting players for the team even though it's his team. He's a marketing executive picking football players, I must be missing something because I don't see the connection. He even admitted he made a mistake in firing Casserly, no better time than now to rectify the mistake.

And WHOEVER he hires, DON'T GIVE THEM TONS OF MONEY!...If it stops becoming about the money then esteemed coaches/GM's can start making decisions that are not based on huge sums of cash.

Bottom line...the next person that comes in should be in a financial situation where a large amount of money will not dictate/influence their pending professional decisions.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

And WHOEVER he hires, DON'T GIVE THEM TONS OF MONEY!...If it stops becoming about the money then esteemed coaches/GM's can start making decisions that are not based on huge sums of cash.

Bottom line...the next person that comes in should be in a financial situation where a large amount of money will not dictate/influence their pending professional decisions.

Interesting you say that, and that's one of the reasons I brought up Casserly. Here's a man who used to sleep at Redskin Park like Gibbs often did, started out working for free and throughly committed to his work. That's a dedicated individual who obviously loved the team and what he was doing, and the kind of committment noticeably missing since his departure.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Interesting you say that, and that's one of the reasons I brought up Casserly. Here's a man who used to sleep at Redskin Park like Gibbs often did, started out working for free and throughly committed to his work. That's a dedicated individual who obviously loved the team and what he was doing, and the kind of committment noticeably missing since his departure.

I think both Casserly and Bruce Allen will always serve as consultants/advisors, whatever you want to call it to Snyder. But I'd be surprised to see either employed by him.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

That's what is wrong with our Snyder and our franchise.

How can money be a mark of your fanhood? Money doesn't make you fan...if so Bill Gates would only reserve the right to be called the biggest fan in the world.

Eff all that. It's not about money. It's about time and effort (non-monetary effort).

The question is what is Dan Snyder doing modern day to help that doesn't involve tons of money???...I don't know the answer do you?

No I don't. But I can tell you one idea I have. Step out of football operations, hire a high regarded GM, fire Vinny Cerrato, and allow the GM to rebuild the franchise through youth, smart drafting, and using free agency to supplement an overall plan, kind of like the Steelers and Patriots do. They purposely draft in many rounds with an aim of replacing future players. We seem to draft off a whim. I think a sincere effort to hire a highly reputable front office would go a mile and do wonders for Dan Snyder's status with an angry fan base.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I have never been on a season ticket list and got called by the Redskisn and offered season tickets, twice. Yes he is a Redskins fan, are you? I bet he spent way more cash on this franchise than you have.

I asked him if he was a Skins fan for a specific reason......which you foolishly misinterpreted.
BTW, is cash spent the measure of a Skins fan?
AND, since you probably know little about him, and nothing about me or my Skins spending habit....THAT is....seriously ignorant

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I asked him if he was a Skins fan for a specific reason......which you foolishly misinterpreted.
BTW, is cash spent the measure of a Skins fan?
AND, since you probably know little about him, and nothing about me or my Skins spending habit....THAT is....seriously ignorant

I dont know. I assume if someone is willing to spend thousands on season tickets, they are probably a die hard fan. Is money the measure? Absolutely not. Just like the amount of money Snyder spend is not a measure. And I certainly don't think blindly following Snyder and not getting angry at watching a proud franchise operate dysfucntionally is a measure. You can criticize and mock an owner and still love the franchise, which you seem to imply you can't. If that is the case, 75% of the fan base then aren't fans.

Sorry my friend, I have been a fan since I was 4, that is 36 years, and I have lived through the great eras, the good eras and the bad eras. Sue me for wanting the good times back. Shame on me for wanting a franchise that consistently wins. Shame on me for not wanting my beloved Redskins to be known as the next Cardinals, Browns, Lions, and Bengals.

Yes, i can be a fan and hate the way Dan Snyder runs this team. Yes, I can still be a fan. Matter of fact, I bet, given my age and Snyder's age, I have been a fan just as long as him. As long as Snyder and Cerrato are calling the shots, I simply don't know how we will get better than the last ten years. They have a proven track record. Look at the team from 2000 to present. That is their track record.

You can say he wants to win all you want. Yes, he probably does. Fact is, he is not. And if winning is all that matters to him over money, then he should be trying anything, including taking himself out of the equation, if that is what it takes to win.

Wonder how many were calling for Snyder and Cerrato's heads on Sunday night?