Campbell's numbers dont lie

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not *this years* Tom Brady. We'd probably be 0-3.

Pre-injury Brady, yes, I think we beat the Lions to go to 2-1.

I'd take this year's Brady in a heartbeat. And we'd be 3-0.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I'd take this year's Brady in a heartbeat. And we'd be 3-0.

Please. The Patriots aren't even 3-0 with Brady. They only beat the Bills by one point ( Because of a really stupid play by the Bills) and lost to the Jets.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Please. The Patriots aren't even 3-0 with Brady. They only beat the Bills by one point ( Because of a really stupid play by the Bills) and lost to the Jets.

They also didn't play the Rams and Lions. I'm totally gay for Brady, so don't expect me to be reasonable.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

They also didn't play the Rams and Lions. I'm totally gay for Brady, so don't expect me to be reasonable.

But they did play the Bills and a rookie QB in NY. I feel the same way about P. Manning though. If we had him at QB we'd be 6-0 because he's so dominant teams feel like they were beaten twice and start craving Double Stuffed Oreo's immediately following their beatdown.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I'd take this year's Brady in a heartbeat. And we'd be 3-0.

2009 Tom Brady: 61.3% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 871 Yds, 11 Rush Yds, 79.9 QB Rating

2009 Jason Campbell: 67.6% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 793 Yds, 65 Rush Yds, 92.5 QB Rating

Brady is playing behind an all pro offensive line and throwing to Randy Moss, and his numbers aren't any better than Campbell's. If you want to say Washington would be 3-0 with Brady, I could just as easily say that the Patriots would be 3-0 with Campbell and his numbers would look much better than Brady's numbers after three weeks.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

2009 Tom Brady: 61.3% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 871 Yds, 11 Rush Yds, 79.9 QB Rating

2009 Jason Campbell: 67.6% Completion, 3 TD's, 2 Int's, 793 Yds, 65 Rush Yds, 92.5 QB Rating

Brady is playing behind an all pro offensive line and throwing to Randy Moss, and his numbers aren't any better than Campbell's. If you want to say Washington would be 3-0 with Brady, I could just as easily say that the Patriots would be 3-0 with Campbell and his numbers would look much better than Brady's numbers after three weeks.

Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year, so the O-line argument falls flat. And Brady proved he could be good with mediocre talent at the skill positions. Name his WRs and RBs when he won 3 Super Bowls.

And Campbell isn't coming off a season ending knee injury. And while the stats are similar, Brady's widely considered to be struggling by his standards, while Campbell is playing the best football of his career.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year, so the O-line argument falls flat. And Brady proved he could be good with mediocre talent at the skill positions. Name his WRs and RBs when he won 3 Super Bowls.

And Campbell isn't coming off a season ending knee injury. And while the stats are similar, Brady's widely considered to be struggling by his standards, while Campbell is playing the best football of his career.

1) Campbell is better than Cassel. By a lot.

2) You responded to my point above that you'd absolutely take Brady this year, injured knee, lack of confidence to plant his front foot and throw and all, so you have to live with that then. You can't point out that Brady, in the past, has been way better than he's playing now if your premise is that you'd take the current performance over Campbell.

Nobody is going to argue career Jason Campbell vs. career Tom Brady. It's silly and not relevant to anything.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

1) Campbell is better than Cassel. By a lot.

2) You responded to my point above that you'd absolutely take Brady this year, injured knee, lack of confidence to plant his front foot and throw and all, so you have to live with that then. You can't point out that Brady, in the past, has been way better than he's playing now if your premise is that you'd take the current performance over Campbell.

Nobody is going to argue career Jason Campbell vs. career Tom Brady. It's silly and not relevant to anything.

1) So what. Someone said Brady plays behind a dominant O-line. I disagreed pointing out that Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year. I was in no way making a comparison between Cassell and Campbell.

2) I would take Brady (and/or his performance based on whatever the hell point you're trying to make) right now regardless of your intimate conversations with him about his present confidence level, because we know what he is capable of based on his overall body of work. I also pointed out that Brady's stats, while "struggling", are still as good as or better than Campbells who is "stat-wise" playing the best football of his career. Furthermore, I have a feeling Brady's play will improve as the season goes on, which is something I can't say with any confidence about JC.

But anyway, please keep us all posted on Brady's confidence level and tell him I said hi.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

1) So what. Someone said Brady plays behind a dominant O-line. I disagreed pointing out that Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year. I was in no way making a comparison between Cassell and Campbell.

2) I would take Brady (and/or his performance based on whatever the hell point you're trying to make) right now regardless of your intimate conversations with him about his present confidence level, because we know what he is capable of based on his overall body of work. I also pointed out that Brady's stats, while "struggling", are still as good as or better than Campbells who is "stat-wise" playing the best football of his career. Furthermore, I have a feeling Brady's play will improve as the season goes on, which is something I can't say with any confidence about JC.

But anyway, please keep us all posted on Brady's confidence level and tell him I said hi.

1) The point I was trying to make, and I was completely unclear here, is that Cassel's sacks are an indictment more of Matt Cassel then of the Pats offensive line. The Patriots probably have a much better OL than the Redskins, though it's admittedly an apples to oranges comparision.

2) Touche. Tom and I are merely pen pals, and we like to discuss abstract concepts such as confidence in our free time. Neither of us has any free time.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

2) Touche. Tom and I are merely pen pals, and we like to discuss abstract concepts such as confidence in our free time. Neither of us has any free time.

Nice try Tripp.

You hate on Tom Brady and he sure as hell knows it.

Why can't you use a better comparison to JC in your scenario next time maybe use Peyton Manning for example?