Sources: Gruden the front runner

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 01:23 PM

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Oh. I see what you did there...

I said this in a previous thread, but if the Chiefs win on Sunday, Zorn and Sherman Smith will be out, Sherm Lewis will be O-Coord and someone in house (Gray or Danny Smith are the 2 names linked) will be interim coach. I don't see them bringing an outside guy in until after the season's done.

Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"

BigHairedAristocrat · 10-13-2009, 01:29 PM

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Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"

The chances of that happening are slim to none. Short of winning the superbowl, i cant see him giving the job to Smith or Gray. I actually hope its Gray. He certainly deserves the shot to be HC and it would look great on his resume. Maybe he'll finally get a real HC job after having 9 games of HC experience instead of just being the #1 guy on the annual rooney rule rotation.

freddyg12 · 10-13-2009, 01:34 PM

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Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"

I've always liked D. Smith & wondered if he had head coach potential. He might be just what the team needs (along w/young, talented O linemen, wr's, and LBs)!

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 02:03 PM

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I've always liked D. Smith & wondered if he had head coach potential. He might be just what the team needs (along w/young, talented O linemen, wr's, and LBs)!

The irony of course is that both Gray and Smith are Gregg Williams' disciples.

But no, I don't expect that either would make a huge difference. But what I've found interesting is that for weeks we've heard players saying it's not the coaches' fault, we need to execute, play smarter, etc.

But in all my years of hearing players say that usually either the coach is already gone and they've said it, or they say it and then go out and do it. These players are saying it and not really doing anything about it. It's almost like "yeah well we should be...but we won't" Maybe one of these guys will change that mindset?

freddyg12 · 10-13-2009, 02:36 PM

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The irony of course is that both Gray and Smith are Gregg Williams' disciples.

But no, I don't expect that either would make a huge difference. But what I've found interesting is that for weeks we've heard players saying it's not the coaches' fault, we need to execute, play smarter, etc.

But in all my years of hearing players say that usually either the coach is already gone and they've said it, or they say it and then go out and do it. These players are saying it and not really doing anything about it. It's almost like "yeah well we should be...but we won't" Maybe one of these guys will change that mindset?

good point. I don't put too much weight into what players say under most any circumstance, unless they say something stupid or inappropriate. Otherwise, players are politicians for their teams when before a mic. It's not like they're going to say, man, Zorn is sorry.

I think Smith would be a logical follow up to Zorn; the fiery coach replacing the nice coach. And sometimes a change in the workplace is enough simply to kick people in the ass & let them know they're being evaluated, no matter who takes over.

GTripp0012 · 10-13-2009, 02:50 PM

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The irony of course is that both Gray and Smith are Gregg Williams' disciples.

But no, I don't expect that either would make a huge difference. But what I've found interesting is that for weeks we've heard players saying it's not the coaches' fault, we need to execute, play smarter, etc.

But in all my years of hearing players say that usually either the coach is already gone and they've said it, or they say it and then go out and do it. These players are saying it and not really doing anything about it. It's almost like "yeah well we should be...but we won't" Maybe one of these guys will change that mindset?

But the execution errors aren't due to a lack of focus necessarily. The execution errors really boil down to procedure penalties on offense, and shoddy tackling on defense. The tackling is something we specifically approached lightly in the offseason and preseason, seemingly in exchange for having the players healthy later on. That seems more like a give-take tradeoff to me. The offensive procedure penalties are about 75% attributable to offensive line turnover and 25% attributable to sideline disorganization.

The only thing the coaches can actually fix at this point is the sideline disorganization. But that won't fix a majority of the execution issues. That just has more to do with the natural fluctuations of the game of football and the subsequent deficits in talent caused.

All assumptions made in this post are those of the authors' alone, and are not attributable to any palm reading that may or may not have occured this weekend.

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 01:40 PM

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Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"

I agree it would be crazy. I just don't see it happening. Basically for that to happen Zorn would get fired and with Smiths planning the team would have to start winning games. I still think we are disfunctional. WR's can't seperate from a wet paper bag, Portis is not using his vision he has used in the past, the O-line is now broken and we are using second stringers on the O-line...you know the ones who only had to play against second rate players in preseason.

I just don't see any major changes unless we bring in new healthier O-lineman or change the scheme, and changing the scheme might not work at all. I just threw that out there cause I get the feeling Zorn has Buges doing something different with the O-line.

KLHJ2 · 10-13-2009, 03:12 PM

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Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"

Name one interim head coach who had a winning record in the season that he took over.

freddyg12 · 10-13-2009, 03:15 PM

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Name one interim head coach who had a winning record in the season that he took over.

didn't singletary last year in SF?

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 03:19 PM

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Name one interim head coach who had a winning record in the season that he took over.

Don Coryell

KLHJ2 · 10-13-2009, 03:24 PM

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Don Coryell

Ok, since the FA era, not named Mike Singletary, and actually made the playoffs.

Wise ass.

My point is that it hasn't been done, while it is not entirely impossible it is highly improbable.

BDBohnzie · 10-13-2009, 03:33 PM

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Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"

It would certainly be something, however the likelihood of Smith or Gray continuing as head coach if tabbed with the job would be determined by the ability of Snyder getting the attention of one of the highly touted head coaches out there looking for work. With names like Gruden, Cowher, Shanahan, and Holmgren on the tips of everyones' tongues, I don't see Snyder passing them up, especially after the "disaster" that Zorn has been.

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 03:36 PM

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It would certainly be something, however the likelihood of Smith or Gray continuing as head coach if tabbed with the job would be determined by the ability of Snyder getting the attention of one of the highly touted head coaches out there looking for work. With names like Gruden, Cowher, Shanahan, and Holmgren on the tips of everyones' tongues, I don't see Snyder passing them up, especially after the "disaster" that Zorn has been.

Make Holmgren the President, Jerry Gray HC, and Turner Gill OC!!!!!

I just hope we do our research, I mean really do our research...as in Shanahan is not a good judge of talent (or character)