Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?

Trample the Elderly · 10-14-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

None of the above. All these guys are busts. I don't see any improvement. Let's get a good offensive line and it doesn't matter who is the quarterback.

That seems to be the logical point of view. When they'll subscribe to logic in Ashburn, don't hold your breath.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-14-2009, 04:58 PM

I wouldn't want any of these. I refuse to vote in that poll!!! lol

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 05:06 PM

Not that I wouldn't mind seeing if one of these guys could do it, but I wouldn't want to give up anything for them, not even a 5th probably. If one was cut, sure, but that's about it.

Big C · 10-14-2009, 06:28 PM

i think its pretty clear that smith, russell, and young will never be good nfl quarterbacks. however i believe that quinn and leinhart shouldnt be considered busts yet. quinn has barely played, and leinhart has been behind kurt warner who led them to the super bowl...my choice would be between quinn and leinhart, but quinn would edge it just because i believe he is a better leader with a stronger arm.

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

i think its pretty clear that smith, russell, and young will never be good nfl quarterbacks. however i believe that quinn and leinhart shouldnt be considered busts yet. quinn has barely played, and leinhart has been behind kurt warner who led them to the super bowl...my choice would be between quinn and leinhart, but quinn would edge it just because i believe he is a better leader with a stronger arm.

I'd consider a 5th for either of those.. or a 6th and a 3rd stringer or something. I just can't see it being worth it when we're trying to develop QBs from later rounds or unsigned, I guess that you have more possibilities with a Quinn or Leinart though.. a few seasons of never playing and you can completely kill the rhythm that these guys needed to get going to be successful NFL QBs.. and I think another reason that some of our WRs never develop anywhere else either; nobody wants them anymore and if they do get picked up, nobody really looks at them as a starting option, plus they've sat their way out of being able to make a difference.

44Deezel · 10-14-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I think we all know how you feel. He wont start on any team in the NFL and he is the worst QB in the history of the NFL. You write the same thing all the time...We get it!!!

Man, are you JC's private dancer or something? Just because you work it to his Fathead every night, doesn't mean you need to come to his defense all of the friggin time like he's your damsel in distress. I have never said he sucks, or that he is the worst QB of all time. I have consistently said he'd make a decent back-up, and would do fine as a starter under absolutely IDEAL cirsumnstances (like the Titans of last year). It's comical that you of all people would accuse anyone of being repetitive here.

Mechanix544 · 10-14-2009, 07:38 PM

You know, when looking at all the VIABLE options, ones that I consider an upgrade to the position, there really aren't that many proven alternatives to replace JC with a better PROVEN quarterback. It looks like we are gonna have to roll the dice with either Sam Bradford or Pike from Cincy (Whom I think will be a monster of a QB in this league, 6 foot 5 inches and tough as nails, shit, he'd have to be to play here......). We actually might end up either trading JC and a first round pick (Which ours should be decent, pick 7 - 11 methinks) for someone proven, or just trade him away for a 3rd and 4th round pick, draft Bradford or Pike like I said, and use the 2nd rounder, the two 3rds on the best available offensive lineman, regardless of "tackle" or "guard", since we dont give a fuck anyway, we shuffle those peckerheads more than a deck of Bicycle Reds.

Actually, even tho some might not want to rebuild, I think thats what it has come to. Hopefully with our defense staying relatively studly, I can see us becoming the 2nd reincarnation of the Falcons of present, maybe even a tad better given our D. I also support trading Clinton "Run into my own fucking guys back, fall down, repeat" Portis for a middle of the road 1st to late 1st rounder (if we can squeeze that out with a team hurting for a good RB) and with that pick, roll the dice on the best WR available to opposite Moss. A good 2nd, with Moss, Cooley and a younger, better OL would definitely be an upgrade to what we have this year.

Maybe there are better moves, and maybe Im smokin the chronic thinking Portis is worth a late first rounder, but shit, even a second rounder would suffice. Given the lack of production, the two backups we have now, I dont really see that big of a dropoff, if there even is any.

So, I guess thats my General Manager / Head Coaching moves if I ruled the world.........or, at least was able to wrestle control of the skins away from Money Boy............

Comments????

Thoughts???

Am I right on, accurate, or completely fucking off my rocker??????

Mechanix544 · 10-14-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Man, are you JC's private dancer or something? Just because you work it to his Fathead every night, doesn't mean you need to come to his defense all of the friggin time like he's your damsel in distress. I have never said he sucks, or that he is the worst QB of all time. I have consistently said he'd make a decent back-up, and would do fine as a starter under absolutely IDEAL cirsumnstances (like the Titans of last year). It's comical that you of all people would accuse anyone of being repetitive here.

Man oh man.......that shit was so fucking funny when I first read it!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!

skinsfan69 · 10-14-2009, 07:41 PM

Quinn can't even beat out Anderson who goes 2-17. Doesn't have an NFL arm.
Russell is just a total bust and doesn't even carry himself like a pro.
Smith might be worse than Quinn cause he can't beat of Shawn Hill.
Young will never have the pocket game but is probably better than Quinn, Russell and Smith cause he has the mobility.
Leinart is pretty interesting and if he comes available I'd take a look at him. He's played well in some games and has probably learned a lot from Warner.

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-14-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Quinn can't even beat out Anderson who goes 2-17. Doesn't have an NFL arm.
Russell is just a total bust and doesn't even carry himself like a pro.
Smith might be worse than Quinn cause he can't beat of Shawn Hill.
Young will never have the pocket game but is probably better than Quinn, Russell and Smith cause he has the mobility.
Leinart is pretty interesting and if he comes available I'd take a look at him. He's played well in some games and has probably learned a lot from Warner.

I said Leinart on gut instinct, but these here are good reasons to support it.

GusFrerotte · 10-14-2009, 09:17 PM

Keep JC or draft a QB are two options we have. Thing is the Saints just released Chase Daniel to make room for their kicker that was suspended to return so that is an option also. It was foolish to let Chase go so soon. He looked a lot more poised than Brennan and played big time college ball to boot. The system needs to get the boot by the way, not JC. I don't see why they thought Kelly or Thomas were going to make it in the WCO. Mich State has more of a pro style vertical passing attack offense. If they were going to run a WCO or WCO variant at least they should have tried to draft guys that were somewhat familiar with the setup. The WCO is a dinosaur anymore.

GusFrerotte · 10-14-2009, 09:17 PM

Yeah the guys in the poll all suck wad!!!! You would be better off with reacquiring Gus Frerotte than that list of jokers. Frerotte went 8-3 last season with the Vikes. Not the best stats for sure, but at least he got the job done.

GusFrerotte · 10-14-2009, 09:24 PM

Oh yeah I also say bring back Leslie Shepherd and Henry Ellard. Shit those guys at least could get a few balls a game. The bitches we have now are non existent. Fuck, sign me for league minimum, I would find a way of getting seperation.

diehardskin2982 · 10-14-2009, 11:58 PM

i picked VY he wasn't a failure as much as he just had a mental breakdown. He will be in the future

GMScud · 10-15-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tootergray34

I would rather have the bag tim tebow was puking in after his concussion than any of those.

LMAO!!

Anyway, if I HAD to pick one, it would be Brady Quinn just because he has had so few starts on such a bad team. He's got the proverbial upside that none of these other guys do anymore IMO. Leinart hasn't done squat despite a solid chance to play and phenomenal receivers. His desire, work ethic, and arm strength have all been questioned. VY has done nothing but regress since his fluky rookie year. Jamarcus Russell could possibly be the worst QB in the NFL. Such a waste of a massive cannon of an arm. And Alex Smith? That dude is still in the NFL??

View Poll Results: Which Former 1st Round QB Bust Would You Most Want
Matt Leinart	79	42.47%
Brady Quinn	53	28.49%
JaMarcus Russell	3	1.61%
Alex Smith	15	8.06%
Vince Young	36	19.35%
Voters: 186. You may not vote on this poll

10-14-2009, 04:58 PM	#152
dmvskinzfan08 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 968	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? I wouldn't want any of these. I refuse to vote in that poll!!! lol __________________ HTTR 09 - RIP#21 HATERS << Misery Loves Company

10-14-2009, 05:06 PM	#153
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? Not that I wouldn't mind seeing if one of these guys could do it, but I wouldn't want to give up anything for them, not even a 5th probably. If one was cut, sure, but that's about it.

10-14-2009, 06:28 PM	#154
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? i think its pretty clear that smith, russell, and young will never be good nfl quarterbacks. however i believe that quinn and leinhart shouldnt be considered busts yet. quinn has barely played, and leinhart has been behind kurt warner who led them to the super bowl...my choice would be between quinn and leinhart, but quinn would edge it just because i believe he is a better leader with a stronger arm. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

10-14-2009, 07:38 PM	#157
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,277	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? You know, when looking at all the VIABLE options, ones that I consider an upgrade to the position, there really aren't that many proven alternatives to replace JC with a better PROVEN quarterback. It looks like we are gonna have to roll the dice with either Sam Bradford or Pike from Cincy (Whom I think will be a monster of a QB in this league, 6 foot 5 inches and tough as nails, shit, he'd have to be to play here......). We actually might end up either trading JC and a first round pick (Which ours should be decent, pick 7 - 11 methinks) for someone proven, or just trade him away for a 3rd and 4th round pick, draft Bradford or Pike like I said, and use the 2nd rounder, the two 3rds on the best available offensive lineman, regardless of "tackle" or "guard", since we dont give a fuck anyway, we shuffle those peckerheads more than a deck of Bicycle Reds. Actually, even tho some might not want to rebuild, I think thats what it has come to. Hopefully with our defense staying relatively studly, I can see us becoming the 2nd reincarnation of the Falcons of present, maybe even a tad better given our D. I also support trading Clinton "Run into my own fucking guys back, fall down, repeat" Portis for a middle of the road 1st to late 1st rounder (if we can squeeze that out with a team hurting for a good RB) and with that pick, roll the dice on the best WR available to opposite Moss. A good 2nd, with Moss, Cooley and a younger, better OL would definitely be an upgrade to what we have this year. Maybe there are better moves, and maybe Im smokin the chronic thinking Portis is worth a late first rounder, but shit, even a second rounder would suffice. Given the lack of production, the two backups we have now, I dont really see that big of a dropoff, if there even is any. So, I guess thats my General Manager / Head Coaching moves if I ruled the world.........or, at least was able to wrestle control of the skins away from Money Boy............ Comments???? Thoughts??? Am I right on, accurate, or completely fucking off my rocker??????

10-14-2009, 07:41 PM	#159
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? Quinn can't even beat out Anderson who goes 2-17. Doesn't have an NFL arm. Russell is just a total bust and doesn't even carry himself like a pro. Smith might be worse than Quinn cause he can't beat of Shawn Hill. Young will never have the pocket game but is probably better than Quinn, Russell and Smith cause he has the mobility. Leinart is pretty interesting and if he comes available I'd take a look at him. He's played well in some games and has probably learned a lot from Warner.

10-14-2009, 09:17 PM	#161
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? Keep JC or draft a QB are two options we have. Thing is the Saints just released Chase Daniel to make room for their kicker that was suspended to return so that is an option also. It was foolish to let Chase go so soon. He looked a lot more poised than Brennan and played big time college ball to boot. The system needs to get the boot by the way, not JC. I don't see why they thought Kelly or Thomas were going to make it in the WCO. Mich State has more of a pro style vertical passing attack offense. If they were going to run a WCO or WCO variant at least they should have tried to draft guys that were somewhat familiar with the setup. The WCO is a dinosaur anymore.

10-14-2009, 09:17 PM	#162
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? Yeah the guys in the poll all suck wad!!!! You would be better off with reacquiring Gus Frerotte than that list of jokers. Frerotte went 8-3 last season with the Vikes. Not the best stats for sure, but at least he got the job done.

10-14-2009, 09:24 PM	#163
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? Oh yeah I also say bring back Leslie Shepherd and Henry Ellard. Shit those guys at least could get a few balls a game. The bitches we have now are non existent. Fuck, sign me for league minimum, I would find a way of getting seperation.

10-14-2009, 11:58 PM	#164
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have? i picked VY he wasn't a failure as much as he just had a mental breakdown. He will be in the future __________________ That got ugly fast

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