DeSean Jackson = Playmaker. Who is ours?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

WEAK? well sanchez would probably make us atleast a .500 team. Again what are you guys saying? Face the music and admit that JC has set us back along with VC and Zorn

Sanchez has pretty much and all pro line in front of him. He would have died here.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Sanchez has pretty much and all pro line in front of him. He would have died here.

he also managed to lose a game for his team in which Thomas Jones had 200+ yards rushing....

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

he also managed to lose a game for his team in which Thomas Jones had 200+ yards rushing....

The Jets have had back to back 300 yard rushing games. Give JC Sanchez's O-line and he'd be getting the ball to his playmakers with greater regularity. Thomas Jones is a stud again, but it all starts with the O-line.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The Jets have had back to back 300 yard rushing games. Give JC Sanchez's O-line and he'd be getting the ball to his playmakers with greater regularity. Thomas Jones is a stud again, but it all starts with the O-line.

So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.

No one is defending JC you moron, we're just saying that this team issues go beyond him and replacing just him are not going to fix it. Your beloved Bradford with our current o-line will not work. We need to draft a stud o-lineman and a get a good FA guard or center. And then worry about the QB.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

No one is defending JC you moron, we're just saying that this team issues go beyond him and replacing just him are not going to fix it. Your beloved Bradford with our current o-line will not work. We need to draft a stud o-lineman and a get a good FA guard or center. And then worry about the QB.

You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..

Yeah but in your opinion to rebuild the whole offense means taking a QB in the first round while IMO and others it's taking an Lineman in the first round and a QB later.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..

D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jake Long
Levi Brown
Ryan Clady
Jeff Otah

All very good first round pick ups for their teams...even Atlanta picked up Sam Baker the same year they picked up Ryan.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..

And we will be in position to draft the next sure thing at O-line. There is no such thing as a sure thing at QB, even drafting in the Top 5. And BTW, the Falcons addressed O-line in both the draft and FA the year they drafted Ryan.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.

I admitted earlier tonight that my days as a JC apologist are over. He lost me on the checkdown when he had Moss for a pump and go TD. Casserly said as much in his film analysis that JC checks down far too often. That said, I don't see many successful QBs with shitty O-lines. Aaron Rogers is an exception, and he has had the benefit of 5 years in the same system, with stud playmakers in the passing game (Jennings, Driver, and newbie Jermichael Finley, etc.).

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I admitted earlier tonight that my days as a JC apologist are over. He lost me on the checkdown when he had Moss for a pump and go TD. Casserly said as much in his film analysis that JC checks down far too often. That said, I don't see many successful QBs with shitty O-lines. Aaron Rogers is an exception, and he has had the benefit of 5 years in the same system, with stud playmakers in the passing game (Jennings, Driver, and newbie Jermichael Finley, etc.).

I agree totally about rogers, but BIG BEN gets sacked alot too, But your right about JC, i gave up on him after last season and it's time for him to go. The oline sux but damn JC is not a smart qb. He wasn't even good in college, he got carried by Cadillac and Ronnie Brown

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I agree totally about rogers, but BIG BEN gets sacked alot too, But your right about JC, i gave up on him after last season and it's time for him to go. The oline sux but damn JC is not a smart qb. He wasn't even good in college, he got carried by Cadillac and Ronnie Brown

BIG BEN is Pro Bowler QB with an elite defense, elite receivers and a strong running game. Are you now saying that Bradford will be like Big Ben?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I admitted earlier tonight that my days as a JC apologist are over. He lost me on the checkdown when he had Moss for a pump and go TD. Casserly said as much in his film analysis that JC checks down far too often. That said, I don't see many successful QBs with shitty O-lines. Aaron Rogers is an exception, and he has had the benefit of 5 years in the same system, with stud playmakers in the passing game (Jennings, Driver, and newbie Jermichael Finley, etc.).

And it's not like Aaron Rodgers is a successful QB. At least not if you hold him to the same standard as Campbell.

He has better numbers this year and does a lot of stuff very well. But like Campbell, he isn't the whole package, and I don't think he'll ever be.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.

The oline had been very below average for a very very very long time.

Look up some of my new thread posts about the oline when Jansen and Samuels were so called book ends four or five years ago. They were just average then and we collectively thought we had real great players!

The oline is the biggest problem on the team. It needs an intervention. Period.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The oline had been very below average for a very very very long time.

Look up some of my new thread posts about the oline when Jansen and Samuels were so called book ends four or five years ago. They were just average then and we collectively thought we had real great players!

The oline is the biggest problem on the team. It needs an intervention. Period.

First off Chris Samuels was never avg. 6 pro Bowls buddy! And Jansen was very good for a number of yrs. It goes back to OLINE DEPTH and QB play and our 11 games under .500 for the decade is because of the QB position it's that simple