The line is quite offensive right now

skinster · 10-27-2009, 12:48 PM

Unfortunately, I think we have a need to go into free agency to pick up our O-line needs. I think we need a QB too badly with our 1st pick and don't want to bank on anything but a first rounder to start. I think we need to sign patch job guys though, not long term deals. So we can draft our o-linemen for years to come

Pocket$ $traight · 10-27-2009, 01:14 PM

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Unfortunately, I think we have a need to go into free agency to pick up our O-line needs. I think we need a QB too badly with our 1st pick and don't want to bank on anything but a first rounder to start. I think we need to sign patch job guys though, not long term deals. So we can draft our o-linemen for years to come

I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.

Trample the Elderly · 10-27-2009, 01:14 PM

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I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.

You are correct sir!

skinster · 10-27-2009, 01:25 PM

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I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.

who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.

Dirtbag59 · 10-27-2009, 01:28 PM

What we need for next year is to bring in some Free Agents and use the 2nd, 4th, and 5th round to bring in O-Line prospects. Obviously the 1st rounder will be used on a QB, or should Vinny still be around, a TE.

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On the list of FA OL, I would consider:

Evans
McNeil
Hamilton
Gaither
Kaczur

I would love to add McNeil but the Chargers can't be dumb enough to let him go on the open market.

Trample the Elderly · 10-27-2009, 01:28 PM

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who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.

This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

skinster · 10-27-2009, 01:31 PM

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This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

Pocket$ $traight · 10-27-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

I am absolutely floored that anyone wants a QB with our first pick. How do you watch Stephon Heyer last night and call for a quarterback?

Dirtbag59 · 10-27-2009, 01:49 PM

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I am absolutely floored that anyone wants a QB with our first pick. How do you watch Stephon Heyer last night and call for a quarterback?

While being a 'build through the O-Line' type of guy myself, the fact of the matter is that the guys on MNF were right. Part of the reason we can't compete in this division is we don't have a top 10 QB (Top 10 being a reference to talent not draft position).

The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th. On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in. No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas.

Personally I would love to have a Dolphins type turnaround, where they choose to bring in Jake Long over Matt Ryan (a mistake in hindsight but still Long is no slouch in the blocking department) and spend the rest of the draft adding big guys. However part of the reason they were able to turn around so quickly was that Chad Pennington became available. Personally I don't see that happening this off season as it's a rare enough occurance as it is.

Of course if we draft a OL with our first pick instead of a QB you definitely won't see me complaing.

GMScud · 10-27-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

Top 5 QB draft picks are a total crap shoot. More bust than boom really. On the flip side, we're FAR more likely to get a top tier starting caliber O-lineman (who can immediately contribute) with a top 5-10 pick. I want no part of Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy.

IMO we'd be much better off taking a lineman with the 1st pick, then grabbing a QB in the second or third round. I said it before, I'd like to see Tony Pike or Zac Robinson. Depending on how the draft board looks in April, I wouldn't mind trading down in the first round to accumulate multiple selections. Hopefully we'll have a real GM making decisions by then.

nyredskinsfan · 10-27-2009, 02:30 PM

Nothing profound or enlightening here from me.

If you don't score points you can't win.

If you don't have an offensive line you can't run the ball.

If you don't have an offensive line the QB doesn't have time to throw the ball.

Last Monday it was pretty bad when the topic of discussion on ESPN Mike and Mike was how bad the Skin's are. Missed this mornings program but I'm sure it was somewhat dwelled on.

Trample the Elderly · 10-27-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

You must work for the front office. If I was a MOD I'd ban front office people from posting on this site.

No, I don't agree a QB is a necessity. Eli Manning has WALL EYES!

Here's to you an your bright ideas. :vomit:

skinster · 10-27-2009, 01:54 PM

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You must work for the front office. If I was a MOD I'd ban front office people from posting on this site.

No, I don't agree a QB is a necessity. Eli Manning has WALL EYES!

Here's to you an your bright ideas. :vomit:

What is with everyone and not recognizing the importance of a QB? I don't really think it's debatable that the QB is the most important piece of the team. An O-line is FIVE members. You won't fix it by getting one piece of the puzzle.

I also think manning is good, look at the numbers he is putting up with mediocre at best recievers...manningham as I think 8 drops this year. but that's a side convo not entirely on topic.

skins89moss · 10-28-2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

Ok let me tell you this, if and when a team drafts a QB as a top 10 pick if he is a bust your franchise is set back for 3 to 4 years. Teams that spend high picks on QB tend to give them every chance to be the starter no matter how poor he plays IE.... JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Brady Quinn, and David Carr. I say we draft a QB late in the 4th or 5th and try to sign Jackson(Vikings,Carr/Giants) or resign JC or 1 yr with a upgraded line.

Pocket$ $traight · 10-28-2009, 09:02 PM

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Ok let me tell you this, if and when a team drafts a QB as a top 10 pick if he is a bust your franchise is set back for 3 to 4 years. Teams that spend high picks on QB tend to give them every chance to be the starter no matter how poor he plays IE.... JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Brady Quinn, and David Carr. I say we draft a QB late in the 4th or 5th and try to sign Jackson(Vikings,Carr/Giants) or resign JC or 1 yr with a upgraded line.

This is absolutely correct and why I am not even going to pay attention to the quarterbacks that are coming out.

I disagree with those who say we are 2 or 3 years from being competitive and that we need to blow it up. Atlanta and Miami turned into playoff teams after terrible seasons. We need to blow our O-line up, that is it. And I believe the line can be turned around in one offseason if we draft well.

The D-line was turned into a strength in one year, there is no reason that they cannot do the same on the other side.

Btw...I will be so happy when Randal-Fail and Heyer are gone.

10-27-2009, 12:48 PM	#1
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: The line is quite offensive right now Unfortunately, I think we have a need to go into free agency to pick up our O-line needs. I think we need a QB too badly with our 1st pick and don't want to bank on anything but a first rounder to start. I think we need to sign patch job guys though, not long term deals. So we can draft our o-linemen for years to come

10-27-2009, 02:30 PM	#11
nyredskinsfan Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Upstate NY Age: 70 Posts: 151	Re: The line is quite offensive right now Nothing profound or enlightening here from me. If you don't score points you can't win. If you don't have an offensive line you can't run the ball. If you don't have an offensive line the QB doesn't have time to throw the ball. Last Monday it was pretty bad when the topic of discussion on ESPN Mike and Mike was how bad the Skin's are. Missed this mornings program but I'm sure it was somewhat dwelled on. __________________ I miss my Dad.

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