Vinny covering his ass

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Pretty hard hitting. Here's a damning statement(i like orakpo):


Does that mean Oher wasn't worth it and that they couldn't trade back like cleveland did?

again I like orakpo, but there was a top quality OL available.

Word...I've thought about Oher time and again. Of course we didn't know he would fall so far but the dream move would have been a trade back to about 20 and find a way to get a high 2nd rounder, grab Oher first and one of the quality LBs available in the 2nd...like that kid Rey who's having a pretty impressive season so far

...oh well, i guess that's why Vinny gets paid the big bucks

[CRedskinsRule]

He also said he anticipated Thomas going out, does that mean he didn't anticipate Samuels missing time. Heck, even I anticipated that part.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

He also said he anticipated Thomas going out, does that mean he didn't anticipate Samuels missing time. Heck, even I anticipated that part.

I wonder if he anticipates fans and coaches avoiding the Skins like the plague?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I wonder if he anticipates fans and coaches avoiding the Skins like the plague?

He should stick to racquetball, cause he has no clue on how to run a ball club. He's the equivalent of Spurrier/Zorn as a coach, CLUELESS!!!!!!!

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Geez, Vinny blows a lot of smoke, but he's not even good at that.

Just like Aristocrat said, Vinny nearly broke his neck trying to trade our first rounder for a QB -- he clearly wasn't concerned with drafting OL. He's a liar, plain and simple.

Also, if he expected Thomas to go down then why didn't he get a competent backup? This guy is one of the stupidest people I've ever heard speak, but what really pisses me off is that he thinks we're all just as stupid.

The guy who's supposed to be in charge of ALL football operations is a complete and total failure at everything he's responsible for. And, Dan Snyder is even worse for continuing to employ him. I really feel bad for our players and coaches. What a freaking quagmire.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Geez, Vinny blows a lot of smoke, but he's not even good at that.

Just like Aristocrat said, Vinny nearly broke his neck trying to trade our first rounder for a QB -- he clearly wasn't concerned with drafting OL. He's a liar, plain and simple.

Also, if he expected Thomas to go down then why didn't he get a competent backup? This guy is one of the stupidest people I've ever heard speak, but what really pisses me off is that he thinks we're all just as stupid.

The guy who's supposed to be in charge of ALL football operations is a complete and total failure at everything he's responsible for. And, Dan Snyder is even worse for continuing to employ him. I really feel bad for our players and coaches. What a freaking quagmire.

Pretty much sums it up. Everytime I hear him talk I cringe. The guys on NFL Countdown were hammering him. However, in Vinny's defense some of the problems have to be laid on Gibbs. Vinny sucks at his job and there is no denying that. I was done with him after the Jason Taylor trade, but Gibbs made some shitty moves that are hurting the team today.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Pretty much sums it up. Everytime I hear him talk I cringe. The guys on NFL Countdown were hammering him. However, in Vinny's defense some of the problems have to be laid on Gibbs. Vinny sucks at his job and there is no denying that. I was done with him after the Jason Taylor trade, but Gibbs made some shitty moves that are hurting the team today.

Although I don't know all the facts about who made every decision, I have to believe this as well. Duckett was a major waste, as well as the other mid-round picks we traded during Gibbs 2. We traded away our depth when we traded away those mid-rounders.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Although I don't know all the facts about who made every decision, I have to believe this as well. Duckett was a major waste, as well as the other mid-round picks we traded during Gibbs 2. We traded away our depth when we traded away those mid-rounders.

If we could actually draft well that would be true, but Snyderatto is not good at drafting players. Look at our last two drafts. Even if you combined both of the last two drafts as one, it is still a terrible draft.

[SkinFanatic]

Are you guys all for real? Vinny Cerrato is nothing more than a yesman for little Napoleon. Sure he's in way over his head. He's no GM. He's totally covering his ass and a terrible liar to boot. But make no mistake. You can lay the entire blame for this debacle at the feet of DS.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

The link to the WP Article isnt the complete interview. The reporters were absolutely BRUTAL to Cerrato. You can tell they were deliberately trying to make him feel stupid. Here are my favorite parts -

Q: Are you surprised by the lack of production by the back-ups on the offensive line?

VC: Are you talking about all the sacks and stuff?

Q: Yeah, I'm talking about everything.

VC: Such as?

Q: Such pass poor pass protection. Many players today have said that you didn't address the line. You knew it was a problem and you didn't address it. People around the league are saying it's one of the worst lines in the league. All that.

VC: Who is people around the league?

Q: People on other teams. Commentators on TV. They say you haven't addressed the line.

VC: We tried to address the line. We added [Derrick] Dockery. We added Mike Williams. We attempted to, and when we were in the draft, there was nobody at No. 13 worthy of it. Are you having the results you wanted to? No, we don't want to have sacks. So if it was Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas in there, would it be better? Absolutely. If you lose a Pro Bowler, it's definitely going to drop off. I guess where we're standing right now, to have more depth would be great.

Q: Is it too early to say that the line is going to be the team's main target in the offseason?

VC: It's too early to tell.

Q: Did you think that the depth was acceptable going into the season.

VC: Yeah...

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Q: Do you feel you gave Jim a roster that could get to the playoffs?

VC: Yes.

Q: You do feel that way?

VC: Yes.

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Q: Why did you wait until last Friday to say that Jim is going to be the head coach for the rest of the season?

VC: Like I said last night with Sal Paolantonio, we anticipated winning the Kansas City game at home and being 3-3. That's what I meant. So I think that after that game and we're changing the play-caller and we sat down and got our gameplan together and that's why it was on Friday.

Q: It took you the whole week to get your gameplan together and decide to stick with Jim for the rest of the season?

VC: Yeah. We sat down and talked about it. We were doing the play-caller thing. I mean, so yeah.

[DBUCHANON101]

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

Well, in any case, none of us are the Vice President of Football Operations for the Redskins.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Well, in any case, none of us are the Vice President of Football Operations for the Redskins.

Im not saying that VC hasnt ran this team down, but in alot of cases most of us supported the moves we have made recently. I remember driving home and hearing we lost 2 DE's in practice and got jason Taylor. I was very excited, who knew he would go from a double digit sack man to a underachieving bust? Same as when we drafted RAK, i was thinking this is a guy who can come in and start from day one and give us a presence off the edge on every play. Haynesworth is the same, yeah we overpaid but he has made an impact in the games thusfar, ask Carter if he supports that move as he is reaping the benefits of the double teams Big Al draws from opposing olines. if DT,MK and Davis were playing up to their potential and we were scoring 25+ a game this wouldnt be an issue. they were all highly rated on many draft boards at the time of the draft and most of us welcomed the youth movement at the skill positions as ARE clearly is not carrying his load and Moss is inconsistant. so yeah its easy to complain now but noone saw us starting out like this.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Im not saying that VC hasnt ran this team down, but in alot of cases most of us supported the moves we have made recently. I remember driving home and hearing we lost 2 DE's in practice and got jason Taylor. I was very excited, who knew he would go from a double digit sack man to a underachieving bust? Same as when we drafted RAK, i was thinking this is a guy who can come in and start from day one and give us a presence off the edge on every play. Haynesworth is the same, yeah we overpaid but he has made an impact in the games thusfar, ask Carter if he supports that move as he is reaping the benefits of the double teams Big Al draws from opposing olines. if DT,MK and Davis were playing up to their potential and we were scoring 25+ a game this wouldnt be an issue. they were all highly rated on many draft boards at the time of the draft and most of us welcomed the youth movement at the skill positions as ARE clearly is not carrying his load and Moss is inconsistant. so yeah its easy to complain now but noone saw us starting out like this.

I still don't have a problem with drafting Orakpo. Most importantly, he was drafted -- not traded for. Secondly, I'm a big advocate of drafting for value -- not necessarily need (not always the best thing, but usually IMO). If Orakpo was the best person on the board, and represented the greatest value to us, draft him -- even if there are bigger needs.

Taylor is completely different IMO, because we traded a 2nd rounder for him. A 2nd rounder, in all likelihood, would at least become a decent backup for maybe 10 years. That's a lot of value. Taylor could have lit it up for us, but not for more than 1 or 2 years realistically. That's terrible value in comparison.

Haynesworth lies somewhere in the middle of these two situations, IMO. We didn't give up a draft pick, which is really good, but we are restricted in other areas (mostly depth still) due to his large contract. He has made the whole DL better, which is worth something. But, is it worth $100? I don't know, you could probably get 5 average players for that. As it is now, we have 1 good one, and 4 below average (not necessarily on the DL, but wherever we had to skimp to fit in the cap -- i.e.: depth).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

Actually, I think the draft day thread had it's share of complaints about lack of o-line drafting. I know because I defended the moves as suitable preparation. I guess I could do as good a job as Vinny.