Vinny covering his ass

[DBUCHANON101]

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

Well, in any case, none of us are the Vice President of Football Operations for the Redskins.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Well, in any case, none of us are the Vice President of Football Operations for the Redskins.

Im not saying that VC hasnt ran this team down, but in alot of cases most of us supported the moves we have made recently. I remember driving home and hearing we lost 2 DE's in practice and got jason Taylor. I was very excited, who knew he would go from a double digit sack man to a underachieving bust? Same as when we drafted RAK, i was thinking this is a guy who can come in and start from day one and give us a presence off the edge on every play. Haynesworth is the same, yeah we overpaid but he has made an impact in the games thusfar, ask Carter if he supports that move as he is reaping the benefits of the double teams Big Al draws from opposing olines. if DT,MK and Davis were playing up to their potential and we were scoring 25+ a game this wouldnt be an issue. they were all highly rated on many draft boards at the time of the draft and most of us welcomed the youth movement at the skill positions as ARE clearly is not carrying his load and Moss is inconsistant. so yeah its easy to complain now but noone saw us starting out like this.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Im not saying that VC hasnt ran this team down, but in alot of cases most of us supported the moves we have made recently. I remember driving home and hearing we lost 2 DE's in practice and got jason Taylor. I was very excited, who knew he would go from a double digit sack man to a underachieving bust? Same as when we drafted RAK, i was thinking this is a guy who can come in and start from day one and give us a presence off the edge on every play. Haynesworth is the same, yeah we overpaid but he has made an impact in the games thusfar, ask Carter if he supports that move as he is reaping the benefits of the double teams Big Al draws from opposing olines. if DT,MK and Davis were playing up to their potential and we were scoring 25+ a game this wouldnt be an issue. they were all highly rated on many draft boards at the time of the draft and most of us welcomed the youth movement at the skill positions as ARE clearly is not carrying his load and Moss is inconsistant. so yeah its easy to complain now but noone saw us starting out like this.

I still don't have a problem with drafting Orakpo. Most importantly, he was drafted -- not traded for. Secondly, I'm a big advocate of drafting for value -- not necessarily need (not always the best thing, but usually IMO). If Orakpo was the best person on the board, and represented the greatest value to us, draft him -- even if there are bigger needs.

Taylor is completely different IMO, because we traded a 2nd rounder for him. A 2nd rounder, in all likelihood, would at least become a decent backup for maybe 10 years. That's a lot of value. Taylor could have lit it up for us, but not for more than 1 or 2 years realistically. That's terrible value in comparison.

Haynesworth lies somewhere in the middle of these two situations, IMO. We didn't give up a draft pick, which is really good, but we are restricted in other areas (mostly depth still) due to his large contract. He has made the whole DL better, which is worth something. But, is it worth $100? I don't know, you could probably get 5 average players for that. As it is now, we have 1 good one, and 4 below average (not necessarily on the DL, but wherever we had to skimp to fit in the cap -- i.e.: depth).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

Actually, I think the draft day thread had it's share of complaints about lack of o-line drafting. I know because I defended the moves as suitable preparation. I guess I could do as good a job as Vinny.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

I was upset that we didn't draft a T or G in the rest of the draft. Why draft a beast DE and use him at LB?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

I for one thought that drafting Rak was a good idea and I said so.

I also, along with others, remarked that the Rak pick meant doing double-duty to bring in free agent offensive linemen post-draft. That's the part of the memo that Vinny mostly missed. Signing Mike Williams was not a major move and Bridges got cut, and that's all that Vinny did in response to our post-draft reality.

So I don't blame him for picking Rak over Oher. I blame him because he did not do much else.