Your next QB for the Skins?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

Bring back schrader!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha ha ha. Leadership is overrated! Jeff George!!!

Man he threw a nice ball...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So Clausen or bust as far as college QBs for you?

(Watching Tim Tebow's game from last weekend now)

I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Moss was a bit open there too.. and he was past his break

I know that you can't come up with video of every time he actually has, but it'd still be the exception

I'm more impressed with ARE jumping over Moss after the TD.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not sure which two guys you were talking about though

And how does Colt remind you of Shuler?

I'm watching Colt's game from last weekend right now, just watched Snead earlier today. I like Colt's presence more, but Snead has the better arm in my opinion

John David Booty and T. Jackson.

McCoy is a very good college player with lot's of mobility with an average arm. Plus he doesn't play in a conventional NFL offense....just like Heath. IMO he's not going to be able to get under center and make NFL throws week after week, thread the needle in traffic. He's got the mobility, like Heath had but he just doesn't have the NFL pocket game IMO.

[Pocket$ $traight]

If we go with a college QB, Albert and Fletcher will be gone by the time we are competitive

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

If we go with a college QB, Albert and Fletcher will be gone by the time we are competitive

We don't know that for sure, look at Matt Ryan and flacco last yr... Even sanchez is doing decent this yr.. Honestly until zorn and vc are gone it really doesn't matter

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.

I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000...titans_002.jpg) strikes me as a franchise guy.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I don't know much about Robinson, but i'm really not impressed with the QBs in next years draft. They all seem like guys who have alot of potential, but who are not really "NFL-ready." A lot can change between now and April, but there may not be a QB worth taking as high as we'll be drafting.

At this point, we're going to be rebuilding for 2-3 years so we'd be better off trading down and accumulating depth accross our roster instead of adding one spashly player at the top of the first round. From what I read, next years draft is pretty deep overall. I say we take advantage of it and accumulate as many picks in rounds 2-4 as possible.

The problem with this team is there is such a huge, dramatic drop-off between the talent level of our starters and our backups. We need start narrowing that gap.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000...titans_002.jpg) strikes me as a franchise guy.

I agree about Clausen and the "it" factor. It's hard to turn down a franchise QB. There's always risk but the rewards are undeniable. Think Peyton Manning. I also thought that Brady Quinn had "it" so my judgement isn't always the best.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.

You and I both see Clausen every week, and my conclusion is that if he returns to ND for another year, and refines his sense of the pocket, continues to develop as a passer (evidenced by completion percentage), he will be a franchise-type prospect for someone. If he comes out this year, well, he's more or less a more accurate version of Matt Stafford, which means he'll be heavily reliant on the situation he's taken into. Which means he would fail here.

He also might have height issues, at roughly six feet out there. Though, truth of the matter is, if he hasn't run into issues in college with his height, he'll probably do just fine in the pros.

The backs have been terrible at pass pro going back to last year. Portis makes it seem a lot better than it really is because the only time you ever really notice the backs is when Portis is sticking someone at the line, but our poor protection has never just been about the front five.

This front five, though, is particularly poor. And it's not for lack of talent. Well, maybe in Will Montgomery's case. But my general opinion is that it's a communication issue in the interior line (which includes the back pickups), and a talent issue on the outside with one on ones with our tackles and their ends.

Not that our tackles are notably terrible players (they are below average), but their ends are just on a different level of accomplishment.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Jackson did some some good stuff earlier in the year.. last year he was what we think of JaMarcus this year

Not true at all actually.

[saden1]

In the NFL Tebow isn't faster than anyone on the field and those Gator gimmicks won't work in the pro either. I feel Bradford is more NFL ready than Tebow. If there was a chance of us drafting him I would jump all over it.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You and I both see Clausen every week, and my conclusion is that if he returns to ND for another year, and refines his sense of the pocket, continues to develop as a passer (evidenced by completion percentage), he will be a franchise-type prospect for someone. If he comes out this year, well, he's more or less a more accurate version of Matt Stafford, which means he'll be heavily reliant on the situation he's taken into. Which means he would fail here.

He would fail here under the current circumstances, but we need to see who the GM and coach will be going forward. If they're solid and committed to building a good OL in front of Clausen he'll be fine. Peyton and Troy Aikman come to mind as QBs who had to struggle through their rookie season but turned out OK

He also might have height issues, at roughly six feet out there. Though, truth of the matter is, if he hasn't run into issues in college with his height, he'll probably do just fine in the pros.

I haven't noticed him looking small compared to the other players out there. Everything I've seen has him listed at 6'3", maybe they're giving him an inch or two (but it's not like Chase Daniels was 6' either LOL).

This front five, though, is particularly poor. And it's not for lack of talent. Well, maybe in Will Montgomery's case. But my general opinion is that it's a communication issue in the interior line (which includes the back pickups), and a talent issue on the outside with one on ones with our tackles and their ends.

We see this one the same. I know I've said it 1000 times, the line shuffle killed us. Heyer would be fine at RT. He's quick enough over there against most LDEs, if someone throws a Tuck or Peppers he may get beat once in a while, but he's solid over there. If Rinehart isn't hurt (which I don't think he is) IDK what the coaches saw to bench him for Monty. MW can play G, his quickness and footwork are too poor for even RT.

What is baffling to me is that it doesn't look like the Skins have a blitz pick-up session at all during the week. At the last HS I was at we had 15-20 min, at least twice per week, during game weeks of blitz pick-ups with the OL and RBs. We would look at film of the upcoming team and run their blitzes to make sure we picked them up. It sure doesn't look like the Skins are doing this, or if they are someone ain't paying attention.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000...titans_002.jpg) strikes me as a franchise guy.

Hopefully I'll get to watch some of Robinson on Sat. Snead has struggled a bit this year. Mallet from Ark may come out this year, pretty raw, but very big and a cannon arm.

The picture didn't come up but I know who you mean.....Clausen = Sunshine LOL

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Hopefully I'll get to watch some of Robinson on Sat. Snead has struggled a bit this year. Mallet from Ark may come out this year, pretty raw, but very big and a cannon arm.

The picture didn't come up but I know who you mean.....Clausen = Sunshine LOL

Snead definitely hasn't had a strong year at all, and a lot of that is due to poor line play...which some would argue could be a problem for him here. I think his struggles have been a fluke but who knows.

Robinson has been solid

I sent you a PM by the way