Return of Joe Gibbs - - Update

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well yet again we are all getting spun up over rumors.....

Not only do we not know if JG will come back we don't even know if he does what roll he would play. I doubt he will come back as a GM since there is a lot of work involved and he has his racing team to manage. I can see him being in a position to help locate a legitimate GM and assist with locating a legitimate HC who will take the job perhaps under the understanding that DS will back off considerably.

Can I ask you an honest question? Why didn't Joe Gibbs do that before he left?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Can I ask you an honest question? Why didn't Joe Gibbs do that before he left?

Well I think he tried...that's why Williams was brought in as DC and HC in-waiting w/ Saunders brought in next to run the offense. It was actually a pretty perfect set-up and the team was coming off a strong run. Lil D and his weird little toady just decided to blow things up again from the coaching/scheme perspective.

...sort of makes it hard to believe Gibbs would come back yet again. It's like he needs to say "Now Danny I'm not gonna be around to baby-sit you forever..."

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Well I think he tried...that's why Williams was brought in as DC and HC in-waiting w/ Saunders brought in next to run the offense. It was actually a pretty perfect set-up and the team was coming off a strong run. Lil D and his weird little toady just decided to blow things up again from the coaching/scheme perspective.

...sort of makes it hard to believe Gibbs would come back yet again. It's like he needs to say "Now Danny I'm not gonna be around to baby-sit you forever..."

So Gibbs tried? Uh-huh.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Can I ask you an honest question? Why didn't Joe Gibbs do that before he left?

I don't know. I can speculate. JG1 left cause he was burnt out. I think his only reason for coming back and it's only my oppinion is for his son. I think he was trying to get his son established in a football coaching situation and 2 yrs into it his son decided it was not for him and bailed to get involved in Motocross. I think ST's death and a struggling season wore on JG2, plus he needed to get back to his JG Racing. I think there were issues there. I think he felt he had set the Skins up coaching wise for the future and decided to leave this time around. Then DS shit canned the whole thing JG2 assembled.

I'm betting the dinner was a "I'm sorry for screwing up what you did for me, can you help me out again" type of dinner.

Honestly I don't know why he didn't. Maybe it was not offered like some of us thought it was. Maybe JG simply was not ready to take on that roll with all his grandson being sick and the issues with his Racing team (and I'm refering to Stewart leaving unless that happened after.)

[skinsguy]

I don't know why it is that every time the subject of Joe Gibbs being in a position of team president comes up, people automatically assume that means the same thing as GM.

And furthermore, why is it that people say "let's not look to the past but the future" and then say they'd take Bill Parcells as team president? It's the same difference. If Gibbs could build a successful racing team, surely he can build a successful football franchise...a sport he has been successful with in the past.

Gibbs is an excellent motivator and organizer. That is exactly what we need in a Team President. If there is someone else better than Gibbs for that position, then by all means, let's grab 'em up before someone else gets him. But, I'd put my full confidence in JG to put the right people in the right positions (GM & Head coach) than I would Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder.

And I really don't see how people can blame Gibbs for the current state of the Redskins. That is ridiculous! When Gibbs left, the team was a playoff team. Maybe not as dominate team as he had in the 80's, but it was the most stable version of the Redskins that we have had since Gibbs 1. I realize that's just opinions, but I'm all for Joe Gibbs being a team president and being the one responsible for hiring a good GM and a good head coach. Who else do you know that Daniel Snyder would give up the reigns for? Exactly...nobody!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't know why it is that every time the subject of Joe Gibbs being in a position of team president comes up, people automatically assume that means the same thing as GM.

And furthermore, why is it that people say "let's not look to the past but the future" and then say they'd take Bill Parcells as team president? It's the same difference. If Gibbs could build a successful racing team, surely he can build a successful football franchise...a sport he has been successful with in the past.

Gibbs is an excellent motivator and organizer. That is exactly what we need in a Team President. If there is someone else better than Gibbs for that position, then by all means, let's grab 'em up before someone else gets him. But, I'd put my full confidence in JG to put the right people in the right positions (GM & Head coach) than I would Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder.

And I really don't see how people can blame Gibbs for the current state of the Redskins. That is ridiculous! When Gibbs left, the team was a playoff team. Maybe not as dominate team as he had in the 80's, but it was the most stable version of the Redskins that we have had since Gibbs 1. I realize that's just opinions, but I'm all for Joe Gibbs being a team president and being the one responsible for hiring a good GM and a good head coach. Who else do you know that Daniel Snyder would give up the reigns for? Exactly...nobody!

Sorry but the team was not really in that good of shape. Barely getting to the playoffs and losing in the first round doesn't do it for me. Let's face it, that was a miracle run and the team probably over achieved a bit. Getting a Dallas team that laid down the last game of the year helped as well. And he is part to blame for trading away draft picks and leaving the team w/out any quality depth. He, Vinny and Dan are all to blame.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but the team was not really in that good of shape. Barely getting to the playoffs and losing in the first round doesn't do it for me. Let's face it, that was a miracle run and the team probably over achieved a bit. Getting a Dallas team that laid down the last game of the year helped as well. And he is part to blame for trading away draft picks and leaving the team w/out any quality depth. He, Vinny and Dan are all to blame.

So you feel the team was left in awesome shape when Steve Spurrier left? I'm sorry, but two winning, playoff seasons under Joe Gibbs is much better than two seasons of below .500 football with Spurrier. Therefore, yes, Joe Gibbs did leave us in much better shape.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

So you feel the team was left in awesome shape when Steve Spurrier left? I'm sorry, but two winning, playoff seasons under Joe Gibbs is much better than two seasons of below .500 football with Spurrier. Therefore, yes, Joe Gibbs did leave us in much better shape.

I agree. Gibbs and Williams left the team in better shape.

[atomicnixon]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree. Gibbs and Williams left the team in better shape.

Gibbs unquestionably left the team in better shape, considering what he had to work with. The problems began in the 2008 draft when you draft 2 under performing WR and a below-average TE in high rounds. Had they picked OL we would not be in this situation because they would have had plenty of playing time as fast as our line gets injured. Where is Pete Kendall? What about Fabini? There are a number of reliable back ups out there who could do a better job than Mike Williams or Will Montgomery. Just another example of the front office FAILING! At least when Joe Gibbs was here he could take an average group and make them competitive, now we have nothing.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't know why it is that every time the subject of Joe Gibbs being in a position of team president comes up, people automatically assume that means the same thing as GM.

And furthermore, why is it that people say "let's not look to the past but the future" and then say they'd take Bill Parcells as team president? It's the same difference. If Gibbs could build a successful racing team, surely he can build a successful football franchise...a sport he has been successful with in the past.

Let's just hire any successful businesman then. I vote for that guy who made billions in a decade from Snyder Communications!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Let's just hire any successful businesman then. I vote for that guy who made billions in a decade from Snyder Communications!

Yeah, and that seems to be working just fine for us right now.