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skinsguy · 02-04-2005, 03:06 PM

I believe there needs to be improvement in our WR's...either the ones we have presently or upgrades from the draft or free agency. The biggest thing is this:

You can't become Super Bowl champions by putting in minimum effort.
You can't become Super Bowl champions by being good barely half of the time and inconsistant the rest of the time.

This of course goes for players and coaches alike. Now, I can't say for sure that people like Gardner or McCants don't put forth enough effort to improve themselves during practice...because I haven't seem them practice. However, I believe what you do in practice translates, at least eventually, what you do on the field on Sunday. If we take a look at the greats from the league...past and present..they had unbelievable work ethics...such as Jerry Rice! It takes hard work from everybody to be the best...and even if us Redskins fans have gotten attached to certain players, we must ask ourselves...according to what these players have done on the field...are they players that we can rely on to take us all the way?

jdlea · 02-04-2005, 03:55 PM

I would like to see Rod Gardner go to a system like the Patriots. They don't put much emphasis on statistics. They have basically 5 wide outs who are legit threats. I think this would suit him well. All he has to do is consistently hang on to the football. He got around that problem the past couple of years, but got back to dropping it this season. I don't think that switching from Brunell to Ramsey in the middle of the season helped anyone hang on to balls. The passes were getting there quicker and harder and that is a problem for receivers.

I am of the school of thinking that if it hits a pro wide out in the hands they should hang on. I've made the comment that "catchable" translates to "interceptable" from a defensive standpoint. I don't really like QBs who throw "catchable" balls. If the pass is on the money, it's catchable. A WRs job is to catch the damn ball and that's all they have to do.

Anyway, if Gardner went somewhere like New England where he was only expected to make one or two grabs a game he would be great. I think that Givens, Patten, Brown, Johnson, Branch, Fauria and Graham have all looked so good because they're not carrying a load. Brady throws to the open man and it works great. Same with Indy. He could go somewhere where there were more de facto #1's. Where the ball was spread around. I think that system would fit him best.

skinsguy · 02-04-2005, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdlea

Anyway, if Gardner went somewhere like New England where he was only expected to make one or two grabs a game he would be great.

How would he be great making only one or two catches a game?

Going somewhere to be expected to do that would mean he's going some place to sit on the bench!

LongTimeSkinsFan · 02-04-2005, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdlea

Anyway, if Gardner went somewhere like New England where he was only expected to make one or two grabs a game he would be great.

Or he could go to Philly and be the next incarnation of Michael Irvin like Freddie Mitchell is!

GoSkins! · 02-04-2005, 11:03 PM

We are talking about Rod Gardner right??? the Redskins Gardner???? What is the question anymore?

Look, the guy just does not have sure hands. I think that even with his potential, he needs to be able to be counted on to catch 95% of the balls thrown to him. He doesn't. 4 years in the league.... Does Cooley drop a ball that comes his way? If a tight end can catch it then you should be able to expect the same from your starting wideouts.

Gardner has everything you look for in a prototype #2 wideout, but he just is to inconsitant. If he stays in the league, he is going to have to pick it up a notch. Maybe he will, but how long do we wait?

02-04-2005, 11:03 PM	#5
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 56 Posts: 1,587	We are talking about Rod Gardner right??? the Redskins Gardner???? What is the question anymore? Look, the guy just does not have sure hands. I think that even with his potential, he needs to be able to be counted on to catch 95% of the balls thrown to him. He doesn't. 4 years in the league.... Does Cooley drop a ball that comes his way? If a tight end can catch it then you should be able to expect the same from your starting wideouts. Gardner has everything you look for in a prototype #2 wideout, but he just is to inconsitant. If he stays in the league, he is going to have to pick it up a notch. Maybe he will, but how long do we wait? __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

02-04-2005, 03:06 PM	#1
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I believe there needs to be improvement in our WR's...either the ones we have presently or upgrades from the draft or free agency. The biggest thing is this: You can't become Super Bowl champions by putting in minimum effort. You can't become Super Bowl champions by being good barely half of the time and inconsistant the rest of the time. This of course goes for players and coaches alike. Now, I can't say for sure that people like Gardner or McCants don't put forth enough effort to improve themselves during practice...because I haven't seem them practice. However, I believe what you do in practice translates, at least eventually, what you do on the field on Sunday. If we take a look at the greats from the league...past and present..they had unbelievable work ethics...such as Jerry Rice! It takes hard work from everybody to be the best...and even if us Redskins fans have gotten attached to certain players, we must ask ourselves...according to what these players have done on the field...are they players that we can rely on to take us all the way?

02-04-2005, 03:55 PM	#2
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	I would like to see Rod Gardner go to a system like the Patriots. They don't put much emphasis on statistics. They have basically 5 wide outs who are legit threats. I think this would suit him well. All he has to do is consistently hang on to the football. He got around that problem the past couple of years, but got back to dropping it this season. I don't think that switching from Brunell to Ramsey in the middle of the season helped anyone hang on to balls. The passes were getting there quicker and harder and that is a problem for receivers. I am of the school of thinking that if it hits a pro wide out in the hands they should hang on. I've made the comment that "catchable" translates to "interceptable" from a defensive standpoint. I don't really like QBs who throw "catchable" balls. If the pass is on the money, it's catchable. A WRs job is to catch the damn ball and that's all they have to do. Anyway, if Gardner went somewhere like New England where he was only expected to make one or two grabs a game he would be great. I think that Givens, Patten, Brown, Johnson, Branch, Fauria and Graham have all looked so good because they're not carrying a load. Brady throws to the open man and it works great. Same with Indy. He could go somewhere where there were more de facto #1's. Where the ball was spread around. I think that system would fit him best.

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