Our next coach??

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm so tired of this child ass bullshit set up that this team is running. I mean I can't believe one of the most storied teams in the NFL has this type of crap going on. I'd expect this non sense from a high school team. I'm kind of hoping that we really take a look at Charlie Weis and if he's hired bring in Romeo Crennel as DC. He would at least stop this throwing the ball 4 yards when it's 3-8 and push the ball downfield some more. I also think we need to go to a 3-4 with Orakpo and Carter coming off the edges.

Yeah that sounds good, lets bring in Weis who couldn't cut it at the college level and bring in Crennel who couldn't cut it at the NFL level. Other wise they both would be holding jobs there now.

Especially Crennel....are you looking to simply have more beer commercial material to laugh at?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yeah that sounds good, lets bring in Weis who couldn't cut it at the college level and bring in Crennel who couldn't cut it at the NFL level. Other wise they both would be holding jobs there now.

Especially Crennel....are you looking to simply have more beer commercial material to laugh at?

Well both guys are well qualified NFL coaches. Crennel didn't do well in Clev cause he didn't have the players. Weis didn't have any defense at ND. But both guys were the coordinators on 3 SB winning NE teams. They know what it takes to win. Who would you rather have running your offense. Weis or Zorn? I rest my case.

[atomicnixon]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well both guys are well qualified NFL coaches. Crennel didn't do well in Clev cause he didn't have the players. Weis didn't have any defense at ND. But both guys were the coordinators on 3 SB winning NE teams. They know what it takes to win. Who would you rather have running your offense. Weis or Zorn? I rest my case.

I don't buy that, all of Belichick's assistants who have gone somewhere else have done horribly in the NFL.

Six of Belichick's assistant coaches have become NFL head coaches:
Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
Josh McDaniels, Denver Broncos (2009–present)
Eric Mangini, New York Jets (2006–2008), Cleveland Browns (2009–present)
Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions (2009–present)

The one that sticks out is Josh McDaniels, but he hasn't done anything yet. Let's face it, Shanahan built a pretty good team there, all of the pieces were in place for him (like it was for Zorn), something tells me that he is riding on Shanahan's coat-tails, the coaching will eventually catch up to them.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by atomicnixon

I don't buy that, all of Belichick's assistants who have gone somewhere else have done horribly in the NFL.

Six of Belichick's assistant coaches have become NFL head coaches:
Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005–2008)
Al Groh, New York Jets (2000)
Josh McDaniels, Denver Broncos (2009–present)
Eric Mangini, New York Jets (2006–2008), Cleveland Browns (2009–present)
Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
Jim Schwartz, Detroit Lions (2009–present)

The one that sticks out is Josh McDaniels, but he hasn't done anything yet. Let's face it, Shanahan built a pretty good team there, all of the pieces were in place for him (like it was for Zorn), something tells me that he is riding on Shanahan's coat-tails, the coaching will eventually catch up to them.

I don't give a damn the records. All I care about is can I guy coach or not. Can these guys lead men and get them to play hard. Can they X and O. I think people around the NFL know Weis and Crennel and do both.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't give a damn the records. All I care about is can I guy coach or not. Can these guys lead men and get them to play hard. Can they X and O. I think people around the NFL know Weis and Crennel and do both.

Just to add. Weren't you talking about bringing in Weis and Crennel (and between the two I'd prefer Weis) as offensive coordinators, not head coach?

Also, Carmichael and Christensen are not more proven than Weis

And I don't think Buges ever called Rinehart a failure.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just to add. Weren't you talking about bringing in Weis and Crennel (and between the two I'd prefer Weis) as offensive coordinators, not head coach?

Also, Carmichael and Christensen are not more proven than Weis

And I don't think Buges ever called Rinehart a failure.

Yes they were. Sorry. I just don't see the fascination with Weis after having a bad year at the college level. Crennel has had many jobs and has not been spectacular. If I had to pick as well I guess Weis but I don't like either. Can someone atleast pick a college coach that is having a winning season and maybe has had one for several yrs if we are going to dip into the college ranks again? Preferably one that utilizes a pro style of system.
I don't know who that would be cause I'm not into college so have fun looking into names. I just know when I hear that a man is either fired or resigns at the college level does not give me the warm fuzzy feeling to bringing him in to the Skins.

Carmichael and Christensen may not be more proven but they are currently OCers for winning teams right now that are 10-0 vs. a college coach with a losing record Weis. I'll take the other two over Weis.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yes they were. Sorry. I just don't see the fascination with Weis after having a bad year at the college level. Crennel has had many jobs and has not been spectacular. If I had to pick as well I guess Weis but I don't like either. Can someone atleast pick a college coach that is having a winning season and maybe has had one for several yrs if we are going to dip into the college ranks again? Preferably one that utilizes a pro style of system.
I don't know who that would be cause I'm not into college so have fun looking into names. I just know when I hear that a man is either fired or resigns at the college level does not give me the warm fuzzy feeling to bringing him in to the Skins.

Carmichael and Christensen may not be more proven but they are currently OCers for winning teams right now that are 10-0 vs. a college coach with a losing record Weis. I'll take the other two over Weis.

Weis, as Matty pointed out, has proven himself to be an effective and successful offensive coordinator for many years in the NFL. Don't confuse what he accomplished as a college head coach with what he has and can accomplish as an NFL offensive coordinator. Plus, as has been mentioned previously, offense was not really the problem at Notre Dame. It was the defense. The defense gave up 30 points 6 times this season. 3 of those times, Notre Dame's offense scored 30 points and they still lost

Also, Carmichael (former Marty disciple) doesn't really call the plays in New Orleans. Not that his contributions during the week aren't important.

And let's see how good Christensen would be as offensive coordinator with say Ryan Fitzpatrick as his QB, and not Peyton Manning

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just to add. Weren't you talking about bringing in Weis and Crennel (and between the two I'd prefer Weis) as offensive coordinators, not head coach?

Also, Carmichael and Christensen are not more proven than Weis

And I don't think Buges ever called Rinehart a failure.

I'd want either one or the other to be HC. It really doesn't matter to me cause one will run the offense and one will run the defense and they'll bring in some assistants that can coach. Plus we woudn't play this conservative brand of football anymore.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd want either one or the other to be HC. It really doesn't matter to me cause one will run the offense and one will run the defense and they'll bring in some assistants that can coach. Plus we woudn't play this conservative brand of football anymore.

Oh. I was thinking of Weis as a coordinator. Hadn't realized you were talking about him as a head coach.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just to add. Weren't you talking about bringing in Weis and Crennel (and between the two I'd prefer Weis) as offensive coordinators, not head coach?

Also, Carmichael and Christensen are not more proven than Weis

And I don't think Buges ever called Rinehart a failure.

Yeah this made no sense to me. Neither guy calls plays. Plus wasn't Peyton Manning bitching about how there "wasn't a lot of coaching going on" when Tom Moore wasn't around during the off season workouts? No thanks.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well both guys are well qualified NFL coaches. Crennel didn't do well in Clev cause he didn't have the players. Weis didn't have any defense at ND. But both guys were the coordinators on 3 SB winning NE teams. They know what it takes to win. Who would you rather have running your offense. Weis or Zorn? I rest my case.

It's pretty damn bad I only get two choices. Maybe I'd prefer the OC for the Saints right now. He has them running like a fine oiled machine. Perhaps Clyde Christensen from the Colts. He has them winning and they have great clock management. Both more proven then the two choices you gave me.

Maybe Shanahan who has been a HC in this league and proven himself to win a SB. What have the two choices you gave me done as HC's?

I have some questions for you....

Do you think Gruden might have an easy out in his contract. Most do.

Do you think anyone could lure Schottenheimer out of retirement if they offered enough money and concessions?

Do you think Dungy would take the job if given the same as above?

[SFREDSKIN]

If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL. Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL. Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.

We just need a smart coach who isn't afraid to bench players and be smart about it.. I'm disappointed that Barnes isn't in that list, or at least not yet.. Barnes looked like he would be good one; he has nice size but he definitely needs to bulk up to compete in NFL level though.. But he's been invisible ever since..

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL. Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.

Exactly. It's not as complicated as it's made out to be.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL. Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.

Exactly? No not exactly.

#1) DS is done with JC.
#2) JC is done with the front office.
#3) JC is pretty much a gonner.
#4) Build up the OL all you want but his issues still remain.
a- He can't figure out where to realign his protection.
b- He looks gun shy at this point like Ramsey.
c- He fails to find the open receiver often.
d- He has a slow release.
e- He's not all that accurate on the long ball.
f- He has the same amount of time as other QB's right now 3-7 sec. and still has trouble getting the ball to any one.

Rinehart's good young talent? I thought Buges basically called him a failure, then recanted when he realized we were not bringing any other OL. Rinehart was almost camp fodder.