Landry is now a bust!

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Or that there are reasonable replacements at other positions. Fred Smoot played decent while Rogers was on the bench. They clearly don't think Moore can come in and be effective if he hasn't at least taken over a series. IMO, they need to start Moore and see what Landry can do at SS because it doesn't seem like FS is working out.

I cannot imagine see Smoot playing FS; he might have the skills but he definitely doesn't have the speed to be FS.. As for Moore, I hoped he would come in to play as FS majority of the game but it never has happened; like you said, it's obviously that the coaches doesn't think Moore can do it.. We are strong at SS but literally we are one player (Moore) injured away to have no player who can play FS (that is unless if you count Landry as FS)..

[30gut]

Originally Posted by jdlea

They clearly don't think Moore can come in and be effective if he hasn't at least taken over a series. IMO, they need to start Moore and see what Landry can do at SS because it doesn't seem like FS is working out.

No YOU don't think the coaches have faith in Moore because YOU don't have faith in Landry.

Originally Posted by GridIron26

.. As for Moore, I hoped he would come in to play as FS majority of the game but it never has happened; like you said, it's obviously that the coaches doesn't think Moore can do it.. We are strong at SS but literally we are one player (Moore) injured away to have no player who can play FS (that is unless if you count Landry as FS)..

Huh? The coaches love Moore.
Just because you guys don't think Landry is a good FS doesn't mean the coaching staff agrees with you.
And the reason you think Moore can't be good is because you think Landry isn't good.
BTW-The Moore, the guy you think can't play, had a great Int that game; he got stripped later on but that doesn't mean he isn't a good FS just lacks ball security as a runner.

And he's been playing in the cobra since last year.

Here's actual quotes from coaches about Kareem Moore:

Blache praised the performance of rookie safety Kareem Moore Sunday. He covered some ground at free safety and delivered a few big hits, including one on Chad Johnson. He expects to play him more down the stretch to get valuable experience and is hopeful that the fifth-round pick, now over his knee problems, can be a bigger part of next season.


http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q...8269c,1259e2cd

Rookie safety Kareem Moore continues to earn high marks and could play a substantial role Saturday. He appears to be recovered from the knee problems that hindered him early in camp -- Moore is coming off surgery -- and is practicing well. Zorn praised his body control and the efficiency of his movement, calling him a "tremendous athlete."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080703463.html

Jasckson on Kareem Moore:

Quote:

Jackson: "He has the same attributes as LaRon. They're guys who can go sideline to sideline, and he's probably got the best ball skills of everybody in the defensive backfield besides DeAngelo [Hall].
....Jackson: "Aw, yeah. You throw a ball, he'll just pluck it out of the air. And the thing about him is, he was hurt when we got him. He didn't have any OTAs, didn't even practice til the middle of training camp. So I think people'll be surprised with what they see out of Kareem this year now that he's had a full offseason AND got some experience in games last year. He looks a million times better than he did last year -- we've got a pretty good group."

Redskins Blog -- The Official Blog of the Washington Redskins

“I didn’t know Kareem was as fast as he was,” Horton said. “He can really run and he can really put a good pop on you, too.”

Moore Making the Transition

[GridIron26]

^^ Chill out dude, I wasn't bashing Moore or Landry, nor did I say that coaches didn't like Moore.. Please reread my earlier post, I said that I hoped that Moore would be able to play as FS most of the game through out the year but it seems as if coaches didn't think that Moore was able to do that.. And the fact is, it didn't happen; using Landry as an excuse why Moore isn't playing much is pretty dumb.. If Moore is actually that good, then I'm sure Gray or Blache would move Landry to SS then both of our safeties would have speed.. Unfortunately, Blache didn't do that and he must have a reason not to do it..

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

^^ Chill out dude,

I'm sorry; i didn't intend to have an attacking tone.
I just distinguish between what you think and what the coaches have actually said.

I wasn't bashing Moore or Landry, nor did I say that coaches didn't like Moore.. Please reread my earlier post, I said that I hoped that Moore would be able to play as FS most of the game through out the year but it seems as if coaches didn't think that Moore was able to do that

Well when you say that:
-Moore should play FS
- LaRon should play SS
- And you view the fact that Moore didn't play FS for 'most of the game' throughout the year as i sign that coaches don't think he's able.

You're saying that

1) Landry isn't good enough at FS and needs to be moved to SS
2) Because Kareem doesn't get alot of playing time at FS that the coaches don't think he's good

...using Landry as an excuse why Moore isn't playing much is pretty dumb.. If.

The fact that Landry is our starting FS isn't an 'excuse' its a fact.
When 1 player starts his back-up doesn't.
Its pretty simple, i don't understand how that is 'dumb.'
For someone talking about about 'chillin out' maybe you shouldn't use words like 'dumb' in your post i could just as easily say the same thing about your logic.
And Moore does play how else did he get an interception?
He plays in the Cobra/Big nickel packages and he plays some Cover 2 S.

Moore is actually that good, then I'm sure Gray or Blache would move Landry to SS then both of our safeties would have speed.. Unfortunately, Blache didn't do that and he must have a reason not to do it.

Why would they move Landry to SS?
You said that you aren't bashing Landry yet you keep trying to demote him to SS.
The only player good enough to move Landry to SS was the late ST21 rip.
And as good as the coaching staff think Moore is he's not ST21.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm sorry; i didn't intend to have an attacking tone.
I just distinguish between what you think and what the coaches have actually said.



Well when you say that:
-Moore should play FS
- LaRon should play SS
- And you view the fact that Moore didn't play FS for 'most of the game' throughout the year as i sign that coaches don't think he's able.

You're saying that

1) Landry isn't good enough at FS and needs to be moved to SS
2) Because Kareem doesn't get alot of playing time at FS that the coaches don't think he's good



The fact that Landry is our starting FS isn't an 'excuse' its a fact.
When 1 player starts his back-up doesn't.
Its pretty simple, i don't understand how that is 'dumb.'
For someone talking about about 'chillin out' maybe you shouldn't use words like 'dumb' in your post i could just as easily say the same thing about your logic.
And Moore does play how else did he get an interception?
He plays in the Cobra/Big nickel packages and he plays some Cover 2 S.



Why would they move Landry to SS?
You said that you aren't bashing Landry yet you keep trying to demote him to SS.
The only player good enough to move Landry to SS was the late ST21 rip.
And as good as the coaching staff think Moore is he's not ST21.

dawan?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Threads tend to hit a wall after a while, I think this one is there.

We've just busted through that one and apparently have a whole new room to work with at this point.

[The Goat]

I'd just ask people to think of it this way: how many safeties would you trade Landry for right now, today? Remember he was the 6th overall pick. I think if there are more than 10 guys you can think of he's a bust because that puts him well outside his draft status. I don't follow enough teams to name every guy I'd rather have but I easily get to 10. For example I can't think of Oakland's good safety but I've watched him a few games and would take him over Landry is a second...that's a dude that lays the would instead of flailing his body on the ground or glancing off the ball-carrier.

[GridIron26]

30gut; I believe that it's already believed that Landry is better fitted as SS instead of FS, only because of his aggressiveness.. Landry loves to be violent on the field; the only problem is by being as a FS, the player must be patient - and patience does not appear to be something Landry posses.. By just moving him to SS does not mean demoting him, it is just a changing position - there is nothing bad about that; in fact I think Landry would be more happy at that position instead of FS because now then he would get to be closer to scrimmage of line, getting into QBs' faces and disrupting running plays.. Which is opposite of task for FS..

Yes Moore did play and will play like usual; but my point is that Moore did not play most of game, like whole lot more than half of game.. But what I (and few others) was hoping was that Moore will become full-time starter as FS.. But it did not happen, that was the only thing I was trying to say..

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

30gut; I believe that it's already believed that Landry is better fitted as SS instead of FS, only because of his aggressiveness.. Landry loves to be violent on the field; the only problem is by being as a FS, the player must be patient - and patience does not appear to be something Landry posses.. By just moving him to SS does not mean demoting him, it is just a changing position - there is nothing bad about that; in fact I think Landry would be more happy at that position instead of FS because now then he would get to be closer to scrimmage of line, getting into QBs' faces and disrupting running plays.. Which is opposite of task for FS..

Yes Moore did play and will play like usual; but my point is that Moore did not play most of game, like whole lot more than half of game.. But what I (and few others) was hoping was that Moore will become full-time starter as FS.. But it did not happen, that was the only thing I was trying to say..

I agree. I would love for Moore to be able to start at FS to the coaches satisfaction. I don't see Landry going to SS as a demotion, but more of a chance for him to be a star. The whole idea of drafting him was to play him at SS with ST at FS thus giving us the best Safety tantum in the NFL. He plays FS because he's the most talented Safety we have, but if we had someone the coaches had as much confidence in to cover as large an area of the field as they feel Landry can, Landry could use his aggressiveness in a much more positive and productive way at SS. A lot of us were hoping Moore would be that guy. Maybe he still will be.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree. I would love for Moore to be able to start at FS to the coaches satisfaction. I don't see Landry going to SS as a demotion, but more of a chance for him to be a star. The whole idea of drafting him was to play him at SS with ST at FS thus giving us the best Safety tantum in the NFL. He plays FS because he's the most talented Safety we have, but if we had someone the coaches had as much confidence in to cover as large an area of the field as they feel Landry can, Landry could use his aggressiveness in a much more positive and productive way at SS. A lot of us were hoping Moore would be that guy. Maybe he still will be.

Exactly my thoughts.. I don't see how by saying something like this means bashing Landry and/or Moore..

I would not oppose to the idea of signing a starter FS from free agent after this season to push Moore, put FS spot up for grabs and then Moore and the free agent FS will battle for it; few names worth mentioned would be OJ Otogew from STL Rams, Nick Collins from Packers, Antoine Betha from Colts (I have no idea whether if he's good at coverage or not), and even Ryan Clark from Steelers will be free agent after this season, as well.. There are couple of more.. Although there are possibilities that some of the names just mentioned probably would be franchised or signed to an extension contract..

If we sign Ryan Clark, it would be just to fill in the gap - he will be 29 years old.. Although by doing this would give us a chance to draft one of top safeties within few years..

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'd just ask people to think of it this way: how many safeties would you trade Landry for right now, today? Remember he was the 6th overall pick. I think if there are more than 10 guys you can think of he's a bust because that puts him well outside his draft status. I don't follow enough teams to name every guy I'd rather have but I easily get to 10. For example I can't think of Oakland's good safety but I've watched him a few games and would take him over Landry is a second...that's a dude that lays the would instead of flailing his body on the ground or glancing off the ball-carrier.

i'm right there with you, thats exactly how i see it, but i do think he has one more year before it's official and i hope he get's someone to get through to him, i think his main problem is the extreme lack of disciplne

[skinster]

I have a question about landry: obviously he has the raw talent to be amazing, but simply gets fooled too much. I know it is possible that he will figure things out, but how likely is it? I have only been following football for about 5-6 years now and dont feel like I have seen enough evidence to say that it is likely that even though he hasnt figured it out in his first 3 seasons, there is still hope. Can anyone give me a few examples to say otherwise (defensive back evidence please)?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

30gut; I believe that it's already believed that Landry is better fitted as SS instead of FS, only because of his aggressiveness.. Landry loves to be violent on the field; the only problem is by being as a FS, the player must be patient - and patience does not appear to be something Landry posses..

I hear what you're saying and i somewhat agree; Landry is aggressive and does like to make the big hit.
But i disagree that Landry lacks the patience.
I think people are over reacting, as the usual, to a couple (recent) mistakes as indicative of his usual play.
The same mistakes that any DB makes, he got beat.
But, in my observations Landry rarely gets beat.
Can you recall Landry getting beat other times this year?

Not that it makes it okay; but he got beat playing Cover 2 which is coverage we don't use often, a coverage that has different responsibilities then Landry's normal Cover 1/3 deep middle coverage.

Yes Moore did play and will play like usual; but my point is that Moore did not play most of game, like whole lot more than half of game.. But what I (and few others) was hoping was that Moore will become full-time starter as FS.. But it did not happen, that was the only thing I was trying to say..

I guess it depends on which you consider the more important position.
I think most coaches consider the FS more important then SS and therefore put their best S at FS.
The only way i would start Moore as FS is if he was the best S on the team.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Just how much SS did Landry play yesterday? There is no question that he seemed more effective/menacing near the line... Just the thought of Landry shooting the gap to blitz has to give the QB the jitters.

Just a thought: I also have the sense that Landry craves more "direct involvement" on each play, as opposed to the longer distances he covers at FS often without being able to lay the wood on someone.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I never really paid attention to it, because I forgot during the game that LL was our "starting" SS yesterday. So who played the majority of snaps at FS? Doughty and Landry both seemed to be on the field nearly every single play, so perhaps LL didnt really play SS that much.