Report: Shanahan to DC done deal

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Hate what? Just telling it like it is. I've watched Shanahan from when he was a coach here in Oakland and OC in SF and he was a good OC in SF but was surrounded by a pretty good coaching staff and players. In Denver he won with Elway, after Elway had decent seasons and got his ass whooped by teams like Jacksonville and Brunnell, remember? I think he's over rated same for Gruden and Cowher, I rather we find our own coach, not someone elses recycled coach.

Well...Shanahan lost to Jacksonville in 1996, the year before they won their back-to-back Superbowls so I don't what you are talking about.

After Elway, Shanahan had 6 winning seasons, and four playoffs appearances in a span of 9 seasons. His playoff loses were to the Ravens, who were on their way to a SB championships, twice to Indy (another team with a pussy finesse offense), and to eventual Superbowl Champ Pittsburgh in 2005. And you are calling this guy overrated?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well...Shanahan lost to Jacksonville in 1996, the year before they won their back-to-back Superbowls so I don't what you are talking about.

After Elway, Shanahan had 6 winning seasons, and four playoffs appearances in a span of 9 seasons. His playoff loses were to the Ravens, who were on their way to a SB championships, twice to Indy (another team with a pussy finesse offense), and to eventual Superbowl Champ Pittsburgh in 2005. And you are calling this guy overrated?

Here's an interesting article/blog from a Denver fan.

squawking VFR: Some thoughts on Mike Shanahan's demise in Denver

[GTripp0012]

My biggest problem with Shanahan is that he's clearly more interested in coaching again then he is in winning ever again. I'd rather he go play his games somewhere else than my team.

He'll bring in Bob Slowik to be our DC, and Kyle Shanahan to be our OC, and well, we won't have much by way of a coaching staff. I don't think we'll have much of an edge over other playoff teams. But he would correct the major flaw in our rushing attack without majorly overhauling the blocking schemes, and we'd never have to worry about having crappy QB play, because I don't think Shanny would ever trade in Campbell for someone markedly worse than Campbell.

I think a Mike Shanahan offense would be fun to watch, but ultimately, we'd still play most of our games on the margin, and just never be a great super bowl threat under him. I really don't think Shanahan is coming back to win another super bowl. I think he just enjoys coaching a lot.

Which is fine. It's great actually. But we're only going to go as far as our talent carries us, and we don't have very many GREAT players, especially on the offensive side. We have functional talent (and youth), at times, around a pretty good quarterback, who again, isn't a guarantee to be back. A defense coached by Bob Slowik may or may not be better than a Blache coached defense (I can't imagine it would be worse), but again, Shanahan builds around the concept of comfort, rather than excellence.

In other words, I can see why Danny and Shanny are a good fit.

[GTripp0012]

To clarify: I'm not saying that Shanahan doesn't want to win. I'm saying he won't do what's necessary to win, if his initial try doesn't work.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Here's an interesting article/blog from a Denver fan.

squawking VFR: Some thoughts on Mike Shanahan's demise in Denver

Nice article, from a Denver fan. A friend of mine is a huge Denver fan and he probably has a bit of a different opinion from this article. But in the end these are fan opinions.

Still, your argument against Shanahan just leads me to believe that you don't like him personally, which is fine since you are entitled to your personal opinion and I'm not here to change your personal opinion about the guy. But your facts to support your argument are really not strong at all and some are even incorrect.

Is Shanahan right for the Redskins? Only time will tell. He has experience, has coached a Superbowl winning team and has been to the playoffs many times. To me that sounds like a pretty good resume, but no one can come here and claim for certain that he is going to succeed or he is going to fail. I personally go with facts and previous record.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Nice article, from a Denver fan. A friend of mine is a huge Denver fan and he probably has a bit of a different opinion from this article. But in the end these are fan opinions.

Still, your argument against Shanahan just leads me to believe that you don't like him personally, which is fine since you are entitled to your personal opinion and I'm not here to change your personal opinion about the guy. But your facts to support your argument are really not strong at all and some are even incorrect.

Is Shanahan right for the Redskins? Only time will tell. He has experience, has coached a Superbowl winning team and has been to the playoffs many times. To me that sounds like a pretty good resume, but no one can come here and claim for certain that he is going to succeed or he is going to fail. I personally go with facts and previous record.

I rather keep Zorn, rebuild the OL and this team would be good to go. No need to bring "the rat" (Shanahan) check his teeth when he's upset, he looks like a horny rat staring at cheese.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

To clarify: I'm not saying that Shanahan doesn't want to win. I'm saying he won't do what's necessary to win, if his initial try doesn't work.

Hey Tripp, on a side note, what do you think about Bruce Campbell (just saw your "Campbell blocking for Campbell")? After seeing the Terps stink it up in football, I really haven't been following them.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Hey Tripp, on a side note, what do you think about Bruce Campbell (just saw your "Campbell blocking for Campbell")? After seeing the Terps stink it up in football, I really haven't been following them.

To be honest, he declared today, and it was more about putting something in my user title that sounded swell.

With that said, if he's around when we pick in the second, he's a guy who can play both tackle positions, and while he's not my most favorite OLman in the draft, I wouldn't hesitate to take him if the value was right.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

To be honest, he declared today, and it was more about putting something in my user title that sounded swell.

With that said, if he's around when we pick in the second, he's a guy who can play both tackle positions, and while he's not my most favorite OLman in the draft, I wouldn't hesitate to take him if the value was right.

Gotcha...I also noticed this headline about Campbell...I didn't know if it was a headline on ESPN because he's that good of a player or something. The Terps o-line didn't look great this year...but apparently they have him rated as the #24 prospect.

[GTripp0012]

The other thing that contributed is that, I don't know if anyone heard, but if Heyer can't go this week, our starting RT (or, guy who will be blocking Justin Tuck) will be some guy named William Robinson.

Not to make this about me, but I'd like to think that I could tell you at least one thing, no matter how basic, about every player in the NFL. I could not tell you anything about William Robinson. This is very depressing, if he's blocking Justin Tuck.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The other thing that contributed is that, I don't know if anyone heard, but if Heyer can't go this week, our starting RT (or, guy who will be blocking Justin Tuck) will be some guy named William Robinson.

Not to make this about me, but I'd like to think that I could tell you at least one thing, no matter how basic, about every player in the NFL. I could not tell you anything about William Robinson. This is very depressing, if he's blocking Justin Tuck.

Just knowing that he's coming from the practice squad is depressing enough...or the fact that he may be worst than Heyer.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Gotcha...I also noticed this headline about Campbell...I didn't know if it was a headline on ESPN because he's that good of a player or something. The Terps o-line didn't look great this year...but apparently they have him rated as the #24 prospect.

He's a lot like William Beatty (Giants #2 pick) last year. More quick than powerful, fits the zone scheme that Maryland (and we) like(s) to play. Could provide first round value, but again, a team that would play him right away is hurting for offensive lineman.

Not that the Redskins are hurting for lineman or anything.

[pg86]

Lets not jump to conclusions Heyer might go this weekend

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by pg86

Lets not jump to conclusions Heyer might go this weekend

well hopefully he'll still be good Monday then :p

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by pg86

Lets not jump to conclusions Heyer might go this weekend

I should point out that my film study suggest that Heyer has been our strongest run blocker this year, and really not all that much of a liability in pass protection. But he was a lot better in protection pre-Samuels injury.

He's a fundamentally sound player, generally speaking, but he's never not going to give up 5 or 6 sacks a year, no matter how many developmental resources we spend on him. There will be better options. I'm just not sure they will come as inexpensively.