What if Fred started 16 games?

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

from what 6 f-ing games get real, zorn was 6-2 at the begining of last year too you remember that? davis has better pontential? i'm not saying he doesn't have upside but i'm not gonna call him the tony g after 6 games take off your homer glasses and be realistic

am i being whooshed?? who else here think Fred hasn't really stepped up this year?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

am i being whooshed?? who else here think Fred hasn't really stepped up this year?

Davis has definitely proven himself a compelling talent over the last month. Cooley's strongest asset over his 6 years is consistency. Prior to Zorn's arrival, he scored 28 TDs in four seasons, which was certainly top-5 among NFL TE's over that stretch. If Davis CONSISTENTLY produces the way he has over the past month, he will be on the short list of great TE's soon enough.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

am i being whooshed?? who else here think Fred hasn't really stepped up this year?

the question is, has davis stepped up or has campbell/sherm lewis finally dicided to start throwing the ball to the te more. why was marko mitchell the best thing since sliced pie during the pre-season, but hasn't done didlydo when given the chance to play during the regular season? answer.....because they actually threw the ball to him in pre-season. i think it's great that davis is showing us that he can be rilied upon to be a starting te but people come on, lets not get crazy. does anyone really think davis is a better te than a healthy chris cooley(not potentialy better) but better right know.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

the question is, has davis stepped up or has campbell/sherm lewis finally dicided to start throwing the ball to the te more. why was marko mitchell the best thing since sliced pie during the pre-season, but hasn't done didlydo when given the chance to play during the regular season? answer.....because they actually threw the ball to him in pre-season. i think it's great that davis is showing us that he can be rilied upon to be a starting te but people come on, lets not get crazy. does anyone really think davis is a better te than a healthy chris cooley(not potentialy better) but better right know.

lol yeah.. they def brought the TE into the game, TE was NEVER involved until Davis came in, most certainly didn't have most catches or anything...

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

am i being whooshed?? who else here think Fred hasn't really stepped up this year?

yes he has but you can't say he did that all on his own, it has a huge deal to do with the play calling, huge, right now davis is pretty much the only receiver we have producing anything besides thomas, it's a different coach with different play calling utilizing different receivers.

btw cooley did what davis is doing in is second year in his first year

2004 Washington Redskins gp16 gs 9 rec 37 yds 314 avg 8.5 lng 31 td 6

2009 Washington Redskins gp14 gs 8 rec 40 yds 434 avg 10.9 lng 29 td 6

again if someone could give any reasons why two te's will not work in a wco i am all ears

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

yes he has but you can't say he did that all on his own, it has a huge deal to do with the play calling, huge, right now davis is pretty much the only receiver we have producing anything besides thomas, it's a different coach with different play calling utilizing different receivers.

btw cooley did what davis is doing in is second year in his first year

2004 Washington Redskins 16 9 rec 37 yds 314 avg 8.5 lng 31 td 6

2009 Washington Redskins 14 8 rec 40 yds 434 avg 10.9 lng 29 td 6

again if someone could give any reasons why two te's will not work in a wco i am all ears

Because they are both expensive and the team has big holes elsewhere. Davis started 14 games? Cooley had 6TDs in a full season. Davis has 6 TDs, has only started a handful of games and still has 2 to go. I don't know why this is even a legit discussion. TEs are not THAT important, let alone 2 of them. Who was the Pats TE when they won 3?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Because they are both expensive and the team has big holes elsewhere. Davis started 14 games? Cooley had 6TDs in a full season. Davis has 6 TDs, has only started a handful of games and still has 2 to go. I don't know why this is even a legit discussion. TEs are not THAT important, let alone 2 of them. Who was the Pats TE when they won 3?

i went back and edited it, but the first two stats were games played and games started.

and i'm pretty sure te's are pretty important, especially in a wco, i beleive thats why this is being discussed

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Because they are both expensive and the team has big holes elsewhere. Davis started 14 games? Cooley had 6TDs in a full season. Davis has 6 TDs, has only started a handful of games and still has 2 to go. I don't know why this is even a legit discussion. TEs are not THAT important, let alone 2 of them. Who was the Pats TE when they won 3?

Comparing Cooley's numbers to Davis this year doesn't really make any sense. Cooley was pacing for yet another pro-bowl year before he got hurt despite a pathetic offense and no Sherm Lewis calling plays. Davis has stepped in and been great, but his time as a starter began right when our offense decided to move the ball. No reason to think Cooley's numbers wouldn't be stellar if he was playing right now.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Comparing Cooley's numbers to Davis this year doesn't really make any sense. Cooley was pacing for yet another pro-bowl year before he got hurt despite a pathetic offense and no Sherm Lewis calling plays. Davis has stepped in and been great, but his time as a starter began right when our offense decided to move the ball. No reason to think Cooley's numbers wouldn't be stellar if he was playing right now.

Great. So we have 2 pro-bowl caliber TEs. Get rid of one of them. The older one preferably. I can't think of a single team that won the Super Bowl, BECAUSE they had 2 great pass catching TEs. Hell, you can get by without even 1 really good pass catching TE.

Using pure logic and treating it purely as a business decision, Cooley should go. Nothing personal.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Great. So we have 2 pro-bowl caliber TEs. Get rid of one of them. The older one preferably. I can't think of a single team that won the Super Bowl, BECAUSE they had 2 great pass catching TEs. Hell, you can get by without even 1 really good pass catching TE.

Using pure logic and treating it purely as a business decision, Cooley should go. Nothing personal.

This is a horrible solution to the "not enough quality skill position players" issue. I mean, you can use the pick received to draft a wide receiver or a running back who you hope can be a better compliment to Davis than Cooley can, but this isn't exactly the Tony Gonzalez situation all over again.

If we're not planning to be competitive in the NFC East before Cooley is 33 and offering only experience in the TE position as his only skill, we've hired the wrong guy.

I think we'd be best off trading Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly to open up room for Marko Mitchell to play, or Santana Moss, or Laron Landry than someone who is providing a relatively inexpensive solution to a major need in the offense: someone who will get open and catch the ball.