Sen. Max Baucus appears drunk on Senate floor

drew54 · 12-29-2009, 10:15 AM

I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.

FRPLG · 12-29-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by drew54

I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.

I don't know that term limits are the panacea some believe. I do think they'd be better than what we have currently but not in any perfect. I'd fear that lobbyists and special interests would gain even more control since they'd be constantly running over short-timers. Now that may be offset by the lack of motivation to stay in power on the political side but who knows how the dynamics of term limits would play out? At the end of the day the magic bullet is that we as a group stop electing douche-bags. But that would take a media who didn't slant one way or the other and covered politics straight up, attention by the electorate bordering on fantasy, diligence on our part to not vote for the guys who promise to give us the most stuff, etc...

We're doomed.

724Skinsfan · 12-29-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't know that term limits are the panacea some believe. I do think they'd be better than what we have currently but not in any perfect. I'd fear that lobbyists and special interests would gain even more control since they'd be constantly running over short-timers. Now that may be offset by the lack of motivation to stay in power on the political side but who knows how the dynamics of term limits would play out? At the end of the day the magic bullet is that we as a group stop electing douche-bags. But that would take a media who didn't slant one way or the other and covered politics straight up, attention by the electorate bordering on fantasy, diligence on our part to not vote for the guys who promise to give us the most stuff, etc...

We're doomed.

They need to just GOOOH!

dmek25 · 12-29-2009, 11:47 AM

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They need to just GOOOH!

they say they are bi partisan, but all of their beliefs are radical right wing

724Skinsfan · 12-29-2009, 01:31 PM

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they say they are bi partisan, but all of their beliefs are radical right wing

Can you provide some specifics?

drew54 · 12-29-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't know that term limits are the panacea some believe. I do think they'd be better than what we have currently but not in any perfect. I'd fear that lobbyists and special interests would gain even more control since they'd be constantly running over short-timers. Now that may be offset by the lack of motivation to stay in power on the political side but who knows how the dynamics of term limits would play out? At the end of the day the magic bullet is that we as a group stop electing douche-bags. But that would take a media who didn't slant one way or the other and covered politics straight up, attention by the electorate bordering on fantasy, diligence on our part to not vote for the guys who promise to give us the most stuff, etc...

We're doomed.

Then why not allow the president to keep running after serving two terms as well.

FRPLG · 12-29-2009, 12:37 PM

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Then why not allow the president to keep running after serving two terms as well.

Huh??

drew54 · 12-29-2009, 04:43 PM

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Huh??

My point was that since we allow congress to keep running for life, why not let the president do the same. The argument against having a president run for life is because he would lose touch with the people of the country.

Do you think that congress is in touch with the country first, or the lobbyist?

FRPLG · 12-30-2009, 01:24 AM

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My point was that since we allow congress to keep running for life, why not let the president do the same. The argument against having a president run for life is because he would lose touch with the people of the country.

Do you think that congress is in touch with the country first, or the lobbyist?

Gotcha...I think our politicans are almost completely out of touch...or at least don't operate in a way that most responsible Americans do. And I mean like of the 535 we've got maybe 10 I'd trust as a mechanic. No kidding. I just don't think the issue is the terms necessarily. I think that is PART of the problem. But the solution to the term issue MAY cause worse issues. Maybe not though. My whole point is that term limits sound great but they'll very likely have unitended consequences. Politics is a game and term limits would just be a rule change that all the players would adjust to. Trust me the lobby industry isn't shutting down any time soon absent someone going Dexter on them.

joethiesmanfan · 12-29-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by drew54

I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.

Term limits could be dangerous. The only motivation would be their next job, lobbying. Their attitude would be, "who cares what the people think I won't be here anyway". Also, my next question is how would you determine rank?

firstdown · 12-29-2009, 01:58 PM

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Term limits could be dangerous. The only motivation would be their next job, lobbying. Their attitude would be, "who cares what the people think I won't be here anyway". Also, my next question is how would you determine rank?

Well right now most of them are rank.

joethiesmanfan · 12-29-2009, 02:00 PM

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Well right now most of them are rank.

Oh you answered my question, a sniff test.

drew54 · 12-29-2009, 04:48 PM

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Term limits could be dangerous. The only motivation would be their next job, lobbying. Their attitude would be, "who cares what the people think I won't be here anyway". Also, my next question is how would you determine rank?

I doubt anyone would get that attitude of I won't be here when they are serving a 6 year term in the Senate. Maybe for the state representatives only having a two year term, this could be the case. Honestly, if you cannot get things done in two years, you will be voted out anyway. I think being in office for more than 12 years could leave one out of touch with there district, or state. Think back 12 years ago, a lot has changed.

As for determining rank, go by seniority first if possible, then go by birthday or something unbiased.

TheSmurfs22 · 12-29-2009, 02:20 PM

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I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.

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I do think we need term limits and I say this with a family member in Congress. Some of these guys get so entrenched in the bubble that is DC they forget what is really go on beyond Capitol Hill.

over the mountain · 12-29-2009, 05:10 PM

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I do think we need term limits and I say this with a family member in Congress. Some of these guys get so entrenched in the bubble that is DC they forget what is really go on beyond Capitol Hill.

thats a real good point i hear time and again from people who have worked or been a part of the hill.

as to the video, is it just his kinda slurred rambling speech that make people think he is drunk? is there more too it? im at work and cut off the video after 2 mins.

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