Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Mcnabb has been to 5 NFC Championships and a SB. Also one of the only QB's in the league with 200 + TD'S and less than 100 Int's.. Not to mention his record is outstanding.
What has Chad done besides getting Hurt every year?

Been really, really good at football whenever he's been healthy enough to play.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd And contrary to what some people who "watch the tape" will tell you, he doesn't actually struggle to read blitzes or anticipate throws. These are false statements, and let not others tell you otherwise.

I have "watched some tape" this year and unless you and I are watching vastly different tape, JC does struggle with blitz recognition, getting a good pre-read on the opposing D, making his progressions if his 1st option isn't there, making accurate throws more than 10 yds downfield, and certainly ball security.

I haven't been able to "watch the tape" and do reviews since the Eagles game, but what has changed since then? I've watched the games, but not gone back to review them, but I'm still seeing the same things.

Eagles:
JC's play continues to be poor. JC is still going through his "wind-up" and "pat-patting" the ball, costing a fumble and missed completions because the ball comes out late.
He left two TDs on the field, one to Moss and the other to ARE on a corner. He flat out missed a wide open Moss. On the play to ARE, he releases the ball late and off-target. He should've thrown to just inside the front pylon, rather than two yards out of bounds at the three.
He also didn't read the blitzes properly, call correct protections, or go to a hot receiver to slow down the Iggles blitz.
I'm not saying JC is the only problem we have, he's not. But he's not part of the solution either. He made a few good plays, but the mistakes he makes and limitations he has week in and week out are not tolerable. He will not be more than a back-up anywhere else.

Chiefs:
- Campbell's time in DC is done. This is for the best, I like JC. He works hard and is a quality young man. I wish him a fresh start somewhere else. Based on the last few weeks, JC has limitations that will hold us back from ever being a top level team in the NFL. His ball security continues to be poor, his delivery is too long, he's locking on to his primary receiver and isn't hitting passes that are open.

Examples:
1) 2nd possession. 2 & 8, This should be a quick pass to Moss, JC has a slight pump in his delivery, he's off-balance, the ball comes out late and way low. Incomplete. The next play is 3 & 8, Zorn has on a Max Protect call and with 3 WRs vs. 7 DBs JC has to check-down to Cooley short of the first.
2) Next possession, JC misses an open DT for a TD. There was no help for Flowers, no Safety to worry about. JC just missed this throw, plain and simple.
JC does make a good play on 3 & 11 to get the ball to Cooley, who keeps the drive alive.
3) Same possession 3 & 3, JC overthrows ARE on an open whip route.
4) Next possession 1 & 10. Post to Moss....TD missed.
5) Same possession, 3 & 4. KC is in Cover 2 Man, JC locks on to Cooley and forces the throw low and incomplete. ARE was open on a quick slant, Kelly was open on a dig behind ARE's slant also. JC had time.
6) The drive to end the first half was Zorn and Campbell. On 3 & 1 with :53 left, why does it take :22 seconds to run a 1 yd dive and then reset for the next play? Why weren't two plays called? Why not get to the line and spike on 1st down? Why on the next play throw a 5 yds pass in the middle of the field to Portis? Why not out of bounds?
7) Next play, why take off and run? Where are the sideline routes? How about trying to isolate Kelly or Thomas and get a jump ball or pass interference?

All these plays above (outside of playcalling issues at the end of the half)were flat out on JC, no one else. These plays alone were the difference in the game. Two missed TDs and three killed drives because of QB mistakes. Zorn was right to bench JC.

Panthers:
- Jason Campbell's limitations. While he didn't kill us this week, he fumbles again in the pocket and almost fumbled a second time. He isn't improving his ball security. Zorn is clearly protecting him with the playcalling. Out of 23 pass attempts, 13 were quick passes to 1 receiver (no reads) or screens. 3 were play-action, of the other 7, 4 were the TE delay play. Zorn isn't putting Campbell in a position to drop-back or sit in the gun, read the D and make throws based on progressions/reads.

Granted the OL protection was not good overall for the day, but I'm not seeing Campbell progressing week-to-week. Samuels getting hurt couldn't come at a worse time for evaluating JC. I was one who felt the OL problems late last year were to blame for the lack of production late in the year and JC would progress with a whole off-season to get the full grasp of the offense. What we've seen so far is zero or minimal improvement in JC, certainly not to the point where opposing defenses view him as a threat to beat them in the passing game.
- JC calling timeout when Carolina brought 6 up to the LoS in the 4th Qtr. Why? I wish we knew the problem, is it a JC reading the D problem. Is it Zorn's communication or restriction on JC? Whatever it is, it shouldn't happen. The QB sees a D not right for the play call, audible the damn thing. You come out from C and don't like what you see, throw it away. No need for a conference with the coach, just go on to the next play.

Bucs: This one was pretty long so I just linked it

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post603553

JC has put up career numbers this year, but that doesn't mean improvement. He's also put up career highs in interceptions (15, more than double last year), Interception percentage (3.2%, double last year), he's fumbled 10 times this year, and his QB rating is up only 0.7%. Much of the numbers that have helped his QB rating have been late in games that were realistically out of reach or a high number of screens that RBs & TEs have made plays on. He has left TDs on the field and made mistakes in critical situations.

There are certainly other problems the Redskins have, but the negatives of JC far outweigh the positives and we need to move on. If we can't get Clausen (we won't, he'll be off the board no later than # 3) we've got plenty of needs at OL, RB, LB and secondary. Rebuild there and bring in a stop-gap QB until we can grab Luck in 2011. We need to be prepared for at least a 2 year rebuilding process or until we find our franchise QB.

And I would take Rodgers in a heartbeat over JC, Romo, Warner, Favre, Pennington, and Eli.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Id rather have Blache fired and JC retained then Bradford drafted and us continue to stick with the same vanilla defensive playcalling.

I could live with this. I like Bradford, he may be the best QB in the draft. With this line, he would die a horrible death. The best case scenario to me would be to bring JC back, for the reasons Matty has given.... I would love to see him with a decent line, draft a couple of lineman in the first 2 rounds of the draft which would help the QB and RB's. Draft a QB in the 4th and have them compete next year. I'm assuming not bringing JC back means drafting a QB in the first and I don't want to do that. I think it's too much of a gamble when there are other players at other positions of need. If JC doesn't improve in his third year in this system with a better line, he can back-up the QB from the 4rth or we can draft a QB next year. Either way our first 2 picks will have a year under their belts and we'd be better prepared to start a rookie or 2nd year QB. Every year we find a reason not to draft an o-linemen with a high pick. True we could draft QB then o-line in the 2nd, unfortunately we need more than one. OLB and RB would have to be addressed with the fifth pick or grab a FA. That's my opinion..."at the moment".

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I have "watched some tape" this year and unless you and I are watching vastly different tape, JC does struggle with blitz recognition, getting a good pre-read on the opposing D, making his progressions if his 1st option isn't there, making accurate throws more than 10 yds downfield, and certainly ball security.

I haven't been able to "watch the tape" and do reviews since the Eagles game, but what has changed since then? I've watched the games, but not gone back to review them, but I'm still seeing the same things.

Eagles:
JC's play continues to be poor. JC is still going through his "wind-up" and "pat-patting" the ball, costing a fumble and missed completions because the ball comes out late.
He left two TDs on the field, one to Moss and the other to ARE on a corner. He flat out missed a wide open Moss. On the play to ARE, he releases the ball late and off-target. He should've thrown to just inside the front pylon, rather than two yards out of bounds at the three.
He also didn't read the blitzes properly, call correct protections, or go to a hot receiver to slow down the Iggles blitz.
I'm not saying JC is the only problem we have, he's not. But he's not part of the solution either. He made a few good plays, but the mistakes he makes and limitations he has week in and week out are not tolerable. He will not be more than a back-up anywhere else.

Chiefs:
- Campbell's time in DC is done. This is for the best, I like JC. He works hard and is a quality young man. I wish him a fresh start somewhere else. Based on the last few weeks, JC has limitations that will hold us back from ever being a top level team in the NFL. His ball security continues to be poor, his delivery is too long, he's locking on to his primary receiver and isn't hitting passes that are open.

Examples:
1) 2nd possession. 2 & 8, This should be a quick pass to Moss, JC has a slight pump in his delivery, he's off-balance, the ball comes out late and way low. Incomplete. The next play is 3 & 8, Zorn has on a Max Protect call and with 3 WRs vs. 7 DBs JC has to check-down to Cooley short of the first.
2) Next possession, JC misses an open DT for a TD. There was no help for Flowers, no Safety to worry about. JC just missed this throw, plain and simple.
JC does make a good play on 3 & 11 to get the ball to Cooley, who keeps the drive alive.
3) Same possession 3 & 3, JC overthrows ARE on an open whip route.
4) Next possession 1 & 10. Post to Moss....TD missed.
5) Same possession, 3 & 4. KC is in Cover 2 Man, JC locks on to Cooley and forces the throw low and incomplete. ARE was open on a quick slant, Kelly was open on a dig behind ARE's slant also. JC had time.
6) The drive to end the first half was Zorn and Campbell. On 3 & 1 with :53 left, why does it take :22 seconds to run a 1 yd dive and then reset for the next play? Why weren't two plays called? Why not get to the line and spike on 1st down? Why on the next play throw a 5 yds pass in the middle of the field to Portis? Why not out of bounds?
7) Next play, why take off and run? Where are the sideline routes? How about trying to isolate Kelly or Thomas and get a jump ball or pass interference?

All these plays above (outside of playcalling issues at the end of the half)were flat out on JC, no one else. These plays alone were the difference in the game. Two missed TDs and three killed drives because of QB mistakes. Zorn was right to bench JC.

Panthers:
- Jason Campbell's limitations. While he didn't kill us this week, he fumbles again in the pocket and almost fumbled a second time. He isn't improving his ball security. Zorn is clearly protecting him with the playcalling. Out of 23 pass attempts, 13 were quick passes to 1 receiver (no reads) or screens. 3 were play-action, of the other 7, 4 were the TE delay play. Zorn isn't putting Campbell in a position to drop-back or sit in the gun, read the D and make throws based on progressions/reads.

Granted the OL protection was not good overall for the day, but I'm not seeing Campbell progressing week-to-week. Samuels getting hurt couldn't come at a worse time for evaluating JC. I was one who felt the OL problems late last year were to blame for the lack of production late in the year and JC would progress with a whole off-season to get the full grasp of the offense. What we've seen so far is zero or minimal improvement in JC, certainly not to the point where opposing defenses view him as a threat to beat them in the passing game.
- JC calling timeout when Carolina brought 6 up to the LoS in the 4th Qtr. Why? I wish we knew the problem, is it a JC reading the D problem. Is it Zorn's communication or restriction on JC? Whatever it is, it shouldn't happen. The QB sees a D not right for the play call, audible the damn thing. You come out from C and don't like what you see, throw it away. No need for a conference with the coach, just go on to the next play.

Bucs: This one was pretty long so I just linked it

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post603553

JC has put up career numbers this year, but that doesn't mean improvement. He's also put up career highs in interceptions (15, more than double last year), Interception percentage (3.2%, double last year), he's fumbled 10 times this year, and his QB rating is up only 0.7%. Much of the numbers that have helped his QB rating have been late in games that were realistically out of reach or a high number of screens that RBs & TEs have made plays on. He has left TDs on the field and made mistakes in critical situations.

There are certainly other problems the Redskins have, but the negatives of JC far outweigh the positives and we need to move on. If we can't get Clausen (we won't, he'll be off the board no later than # 3) we've got plenty of needs at OL, RB, LB and secondary. Rebuild there and bring in a stop-gap QB until we can grab Luck in 2011. We need to be prepared for at least a 2 year rebuilding process or until we find our franchise QB.

And I would take Rodgers in a heartbeat over JC, Romo, Warner, Favre, Pennington, and Eli.

These are all games I broke down as well though. I mean, we've reached different conclusions, apparently, but it's the same tape. And while there's plenty of room for disagreement on the topic of this thread, factual falsehoods are unnecessary to back your point.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...you-still.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-gamblers.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ing-title.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ve-review.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ve-review.html

You'll find plenty of critiques of Campbell's play throughout my work, but neither you or I noticed anything about blitz recognition or pre-snap issues.

Everything you mentioned is along the lines of "Campbell left this throw on the table", "He flat out missed this throw", "Needed this third down conversion, Campbell low and behind". Granted.

You never really mentioned anything about pre-snap read or blitz recognition struggles, and this is because they aren't in anyway pronounced. It's a falsification of the evidence.

These are GREAT tape breakdowns. You absolutely did a fantastic job on them and I thought, at the time, that what I was seeing defended your analysis.

But since we both slowed down the tape breakdowns post-bye, it's not like Campbell has all-of-a-sudden developed issues that weren't there in the first half of the year. His pocket presence is still very spotty, and though he has greatly improved his ball control when he gets drilled, he's still not very sure of himself after a play breaks down. His accuracy has been suspect all year. These are measurable things that we can observe, and I don't think there's any reason to make things up.

Anyway, here's Jaws on Campbell from two weeks ago. I don't think he says anything that we don't already know, but I agree with his bottom line conclusion.

washingtonpost.com

Campbell has struggled since then, but his fundamentals tend to break down when his team is greatly over-matched. There's a very simple solution to this problem that has nothing to do with Jason Campbell, and I hope we throw ALL of our resources at the real problem, independent of what the Redskins choose to do with their quarterback.

My biggest point: Campbell is neither the problem, nor the solution to the problem. I think I remember reading that in your Chiefs review as well, so if I stole it from you, I apologize.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I could live with this. I like Bradford, he may be the best QB in the draft. With this line, he would die a horrible death. The best case scenario to me would be to bring JC back, for the reasons Matty has given.... I would love to see him with a decent line, draft a couple of lineman in the first 2 rounds of the draft which would help the QB and RB's. Draft a QB in the 4th and have them compete next year. I'm assuming not bringing JC back means drafting a QB in the first and I don't want to do that. I think it's too much of a gamble when there are other players at other positions of need. If JC doesn't improve in his third year in this system with a better line, he can back-up the QB from the 4rth or we can draft a QB next year. Either way our first 2 picks will have a year under their belts and we'd be better prepared to start a rookie or 2nd year QB. Every year we find a reason not to draft an o-linemen with a high pick. True we could draft QB then o-line in the 2nd, unfortunately we need more than one. OLB and RB would have to be addressed with the fifth pick or grab a FA. That's my opinion..."at the moment".

Ultimately, I wouldn't be mad if we got rid of Campbell for Bradford as I think that Sam Bradford is the best quarterback in the draft (although Colt McCoy is probably a better value option, depending on the system).

But the last thing this team should be doing is making improving the offensive line hard on itself. I don't know how the team could possibly justify passing on Okung for Bradford/Clausen unless they pick a OT in the second round who is an all-pro right from day one. And if they can do that, I'm not sure why said guy is going in the second round.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

These are all games I broke down as well though. I mean, we've reached different conclusions, apparently, but it's the same tape. And while there's plenty of room for disagreement on the topic of this thread, factual falsehoods are unnecessary to back your point.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...you-still.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-gamblers.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ing-title.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ve-review.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ve-review.html

You'll find plenty of critiques of Campbell's play throughout my work, but neither you or I noticed anything about blitz recognition or pre-snap issues.

Everything you mentioned is along the lines of "Campbell left this throw on the table", "He flat out missed this throw", "Needed this third down conversion, Campbell low and behind". Granted.

You never really mentioned anything about pre-snap read or blitz recognition struggles, and this is because they aren't in anyway pronounced. It's a falsification of the evidence.

These are GREAT tape breakdowns. You absolutely did a fantastic job on them and I thought, at the time, that what I was seeing defended your analysis.

But since we both slowed down the tape breakdowns post-bye, it's not like Campbell has all-of-a-sudden developed issues that weren't there in the first half of the year. His pocket presence is still very spotty, and though he has greatly improved his ball control when he gets drilled, he's still not very sure of himself after a play breaks down. His accuracy has been suspect all year. These are measurable things that we can observe, and I don't think there's any reason to make things up.

Anyway, here's Jaws on Campbell from two weeks ago. I don't think he says anything that we don't already know, but I agree with his bottom line conclusion.

washingtonpost.com

Campbell has struggled since then, but his fundamentals tend to break down when his team is greatly over-matched. There's a very simple solution to this problem that has nothing to do with Jason Campbell, and I hope we throw ALL of our resources at the real problem, independent of what the Redskins choose to do with their quarterback.

My biggest point: Campbell is neither the problem, nor the solution to the problem. I think I remember reading that in your Chiefs review as well, so if I stole it from you, I apologize.

Admittedly, locking on to a receiver could be a presnap issue, but although I believe a trained eye can see a progression in the quarterback, I've never been able to determine if a player is locking on a receiver from the TV feed.

Doesn't mean it isn't happening, it's just that: how would we know? It's easy to see a quarterback look to both sides of the field, then come back to the back, but proving the alternative is far more difficult, and I generally have tried to stay away from it.

In 2007, there was a legitimate belief among most fans where Campbell was locking on Moss an unable to get to the next spot in the progression. However, in two years of breaking down Campbell film, I've never seen him lock on Moss once.

[skinsfaninok]

Sam bradford!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Admittedly, locking on to a receiver could be a presnap issue, but although I believe a trained eye can see a progression in the quarterback, I've never been able to determine if a player is locking on a receiver from the TV feed.

Doesn't mean it isn't happening, it's just that: how would we know? It's easy to see a quarterback look to both sides of the field, then come back to the back, but proving the alternative is far more difficult, and I generally have tried to stay away from it.

In 2007, there was a legitimate belief among most fans where Campbell was locking on Moss an unable to get to the next spot in the progression. However, in two years of breaking down Campbell film, I've never seen him lock on Moss once.

Alright well what about him seeming to stay on one side of the field? If he's using only his eyes to make the reads on the one half he should be fooling some guys, I think that the head movement throws off the coverage, even if on the same side of the field.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

These are all games I broke down as well though. I mean, we've reached different conclusions, apparently, but it's the same tape. And while there's plenty of room for disagreement on the topic of this thread, factual falsehoods are unnecessary to back your point.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...you-still.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-gamblers.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ing-title.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ve-review.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ve-review.html

You'll find plenty of critiques of Campbell's play throughout my work, but neither you or I noticed anything about blitz recognition or pre-snap issues.

Everything you mentioned is along the lines of "Campbell left this throw on the table", "He flat out missed this throw", "Needed this third down conversion, Campbell low and behind". Granted.

You never really mentioned anything about pre-snap read or blitz recognition struggles, and this is because they aren't in anyway pronounced. It's a falsification of the evidence.

These are GREAT tape breakdowns. You absolutely did a fantastic job on them and I thought, at the time, that what I was seeing defended your analysis.

But since we both slowed down the tape breakdowns post-bye, it's not like Campbell has all-of-a-sudden developed issues that weren't there in the first half of the year. His pocket presence is still very spotty, and though he has greatly improved his ball control when he gets drilled, he's still not very sure of himself after a play breaks down. His accuracy has been suspect all year. These are measurable things that we can observe, and I don't think there's any reason to make things up.

Anyway, here's Jaws on Campbell from two weeks ago. I don't think he says anything that we don't already know, but I agree with his bottom line conclusion.

washingtonpost.com

Campbell has struggled since then, but his fundamentals tend to break down when his team is greatly over-matched. There's a very simple solution to this problem that has nothing to do with Jason Campbell, and I hope we throw ALL of our resources at the real problem, independent of what the Redskins choose to do with their quarterback.

My biggest point: Campbell is neither the problem, nor the solution to the problem. I think I remember reading that in your Chiefs review as well, so if I stole it from you, I apologize.

I'm in no way a professional at figuring out what's wrong with JC but I can tell you what I see and what "I" have mentioned after every game ...almost....

1) JC can't read defenses. He fails to pick up blitz's or rotate his protection prior to the snap.

I guess I'm falsifying or making stuff up also, but it's just what I see and interpret.

2) JC throws behind his receivers all the time.

I think he has difficulty knowing where a receiver will be vs. where he's at and getting the ball to that point so he hits them in stride. Again my interpretation.

3) JC throws too high or under throws the ball .... a lot.

4) JC has a strong arm to get the ball down field but thats it. There's no accuracy. If we had receivers who would actually go after the ball if it was with in 5 yrds of them JC might look better. But instead he over throws them...wait I said that already.

5) JC doesn't see the field well. I think I said this one time. But I think others have said this at nausium.

The thing with interpretations is it's the one individuals interpretation. Funny though I had more support from other members on here after the Dallas game.

I know it sounds like I'm bashing JC but actually I have said I wouldn't be against JC being here next yr. I actually think Shanny will tender JC, pick up a QB in the draft, cut Collins, and let whoever is here... JC, Colt, and draft pick battle it out during camp. Shanny owes JC nothing. No guarentees. If tendered JC can't leave so Shanny gets a chance to see what he has to offer in his scheme. I also figured Shanny wouldn't have to pick a QB in the first round. He could pick up a OL. But good QB all go in the first round usually and with in the first few spots. I think now Shanny will want to pick up his QB this year cause it might be the closest we get to a high pick. I would presume next year he will have the team better then 4-12 which would move us down the ladder quite a bit. I could be wrong but just a feeling. First year HC wanting his first yr QB to develope or throw to the wolves.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Admittedly, locking on to a receiver could be a presnap issue, but although I believe a trained eye can see a progression in the quarterback, I've never been able to determine if a player is locking on a receiver from the TV feed.

Doesn't mean it isn't happening, it's just that: how would we know? It's easy to see a quarterback look to both sides of the field, then come back to the back, but proving the alternative is far more difficult, and I generally have tried to stay away from it.

In 2007, there was a legitimate belief among most fans where Campbell was locking on Moss an unable to get to the next spot in the progression. However, in two years of breaking down Campbell film, I've never seen him lock on Moss once.

I think you are correct. Only cause Moss is usually double teamed. Other teams have figured out that Moss is JC's favorite WR. If you double him you take away 80% of JC's threat. However I think your wrong also.... JC back peddles and follows/locks on to Cooley pretty regularly up until Cooley got hurt. Cooley was JC's fail safe. If Moss was not open he had Cooley. I know it's designed this way but JC never looked elsewhere to other open receivers. After Cooley got hurt JC was forced to use other options in the offense ie; Thomas which is why I think he seemed to come along, ARE who seemed to be getting more balls, and Davis who finally shined.

JC still has trouble looking off the Safeties. It's not hard to see. Tell you what watch a Colts game with Peyton Manning then watch a Redskins game and JC. You'll see the difference. Peyton will look left and at the last second look right and make his designated throw or he will lock on to a receiver and pump the ball to them to entice the Safety then immediatly throw the the other side of the field. These are little techniques I fail to see JC using. Which is why I say he also has trouble with the whole counting his steps back peddling, looking for the rush to avoid and going through his progressions. Some where in there he has to use the little techniques to help get his receivers a little more open.

Just like in golf. You just don't go to the course and pick up a club and swing at a ball. There is alot of variables.... which club do you use, how far do you need to hit it, hand placement on the club, size of the clubs, and are you using good technique in your follow through. JC is having trouble with the whole how hard do I need to throw it, how far do I need to throw it, and his technique in regards to throwing motion. Not to mention he has to read the defense prior to the snap and during the play and count his steps while back peddling.

As others have said I'm just not seeing enough progression out of a 5 year player. I don't care how many years he's been backup or injured. He learns the plays like everyone else, he should know how to read defenses unless the coaching staff has not sat him down and coached him which is a possibility since they can't coach WR's or develope them.

[skinsfaninok]

Great thread everyone!! We are so comitted to our skins haha.. I'm just tired of being mediocre or bad.. Jc isn't the answer and actually I'm shocked that more ppl want him back, I think most of u just feel bad for him this year.. Hey I admit he has been screwed with zorn and the whole offensive line, but this doesn't change the fact the he's not very good. I have watched every game he has started in his career and not once did I say ... This guy is our guy to lead us to greatness. Other than the two times he's played the saints I can't tell u when he surprised me in any game. He is so predictable and even Cris collinsworth said it best when he said "maybe this guy will be just average his whole career" this team can't afford to put any more time into a 28 year old QB that has never trully panned out. I hope he goes elswhere and has a solid end to his career, but his time here is almost certain to be over.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And while there's plenty of room for disagreement on the topic of this thread, factual falsehoods are unnecessary to back your point.

No factual falsehoods. From the Jaws article for an example:

Jaworski cites two instances in the Raiders' game when Campbell received a call in the huddle -- a reverse -- that clearly was the wrong play for the defensive formation. In both instances, the Raiders' cornerback blitzed and stuffed the play.
"This is a mental error on Jason's part," Jaworski said. "You've got to get out of this play."

You'll find plenty of critiques of Campbell's play throughout my work, but neither you or I noticed anything about blitz recognition or pre-snap issues.

Everything you mentioned is along the lines of "Campbell left this throw on the table", "He flat out missed this throw", "Needed this third down conversion, Campbell low and behind". Granted.

You never really mentioned anything about pre-snap read or blitz recognition struggles, and this is because they aren't in anyway pronounced. It's a falsification of the evidence.

From my Eagles review: He also didn't read the blitzes properly, call correct protections, or go to a hot receiver to slow down the Iggles blitz.

From my Panthers review: Out of 23 pass attempts, 13 were quick passes to 1 receiver (no reads) or screens. 3 were play-action, of the other 7, 4 were the TE delay play. Zorn isn't putting Campbell in a position to drop-back or sit in the gun, read the D and make throws based on progressions/reads.

From the Bucs review: - Next series here's a breakdown of the bad INT which was targeted to Moss: Safety cheats up so JC should read either Cover 1 or Cover 3. Zorn has a motion in the play to help identify Man or Zone coverage. Based on the motion and the DBs reaction it looks to be Zone (and it was). On JC's drop he should be seeing Cover 3 with the way the DBs open out of their stance, Moss runs a go, Kelly runs a Go from the slot on the opposite side, ARE runs a Deep Out, Mason stays in to block and delays to the left flat, Cooley runs a Shallow Cross to hold the LBs. If JC wanted to hit Moss, again that throw has to be deep and outside. What he should've done was look the Safety off and come back to Kelly who had inside leverage on the CB covering deep. Let 12 make a play with his big frame and good hands. If JC didn't want to make the throw to Kelly he should've progressed across the field to ARE (covered) then to Mason on the check-down.

My biggest point: Campbell is neither the problem, nor the solution to the problem. I think I remember reading that in your Chiefs review as well, so if I stole it from you, I apologize.

Part of the Eagles review (just above the Chiefs one )

I'm not saying JC is the only problem we have, he's not. But he's not part of the solution either. He made a few good plays, but the mistakes he makes and limitations he has week in and week out are not tolerable. He will not be more than a back-up anywhere else.

I like JC, I wanted him to "get it" this year and be successful, even after the first couple of games I thought he'd be fine. But he hasn't. He's 28 and is far "behind the curve" in terms of improvement. If the Skins can come up with any sort of solution at QB in the draft, FA, or trade, it's time for both JC and the Skins to part ways, IMHO.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I guess I'm in the mood to stir it up today but would you be screaming bloody murder if we were considering bringing in Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, David Garrard or Matt Ryan? Just asking cause they've been pretty much the same QB as JC this year.

They have similar stats but like I have said over and over, stats dont tell the story. All the QBs except DG have lead their teams into the playoffs, JC hasnt. Heck, Ryan & Flacco did it when they were rookies who should have been struggling in a new system (as JC supporters like to think is a given). I will take any of these 3 QBs and 2 will be a huge improvement and 1 will be at least as good.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Plato once said "A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers"-soak your feet in that for a minute

People do think that information & knowledge are one in the same.

[Chico23231]

IF Shanny is comes here this coming year who is our best option at quarterback under his system for next year?

JC, Bradford, Clausen, Colt (not Pineapple), or soon-to-be-cut vet?