Offensive Lines in the Playoffs

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I think you're forgetting a team.

I left out Indy purposefully because of the Manning factor. Also, they were dead last in rushing. However, their offensive line did a great job protecting Manning, I believe they were top ten in protecting the QB. Anyway, here's their line:

Indiannapolis Colts
LT Charlie Johnson – 6th rd pick 2006; Tony Ugoh – 2nd rd pick in 2007 (both have started this season)
LG Ryan Lilja – Undrafted FA signed by KC in 2004; acquired by Indy in 2006
C Jeff Saturday – Undrafted FA signed by Ravens in 1998; acquired by Indy in 1999 (Pro Bowler)
RG Kyle DeVan – Undrafted FA signed by Washington in 2008; acquired by Indy in 2009
RT Ryan Diem – 4th rd pick in 2001

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I left out Indy purposefully because of the Manning factor. Also, they were dead last in rushing. However, their offensive line did a great job protecting Manning, I believe they were top ten in protecting the QB. Anyway, here's their line:

Indiannapolis Colts
LT Charlie Johnson – 6th rd pick 2006; Tony Ugoh – 2nd rd pick in 2007 (both have started this season)
LG Ryan Lilja – Undrafted FA signed by KC in 2004; acquired by Indy in 2006
C John Sullivan – Undrafted FA signed by Ravens in 1998; acquired by Indy in 1999 (Pro Bowler)
RG Kyle DeVan – Undrafted FA signed by Washington in 2008; acquired by Indy in 2009
RT Ryan Diem – 4th rd pick in 2001

John Sullivan is a Center for the Vikings. I think you meant to say Jeff Saturday. Didn't know though that the Colts line was in such a funk. I mean I knew they struggled on the ground but I didn't know that they had benched their two second rounders (Pollak and Ugoh).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

John Sullivan is a Center for the Vikings. I think you meant to say Jeff Saturday. Didn't know though that the Colts line was in such a funk. I mean I knew they struggled on the ground but I didn't know that they had benched their two second rounders (Pollak and Ugoh).

Oops I screw that up, fixing it now.

Well the info that I got was from their website's depth chart.

[sportscurmudgeon]

There are multiple ways to build a good offensive line.

Way #1: Spend high draft picks (Rounds 1 and 2) on offensive linemen, develop them and hope they don't blow out a knee.


Way #2: Look for "hidden gems" in the laste rounds or in the UFA ranks, develop them and hope they don't blow out a knee.


Way #3: Draft or get via UFA two - - or even three - - good OL and then sign via free agency a couple of Pro-Bowlers none of whom blows out a knee.


Now, tell me which of these three avenues to a GOOD offensive line the Redskins have followed over the past decade? The answer would be Way #2 - - except for the minor problem that the Redskins' hidden gems seem to have turned out to be Fools' Gold!


The Skins tried "Way #2" - - - but the folks who did the evaluation of the potential "hidden gems" seem to have been wrong close to 100% of the time. [If you want to argue with that, please look at the 2009 roster and tell me which of the "hidden gems" played like a "real" NFL quality OL for 16 games or so. After you can't find one, just admit that the evaluation process was probably faulty from the beginning.]

Or maybe it wasn't the evaluators' fault; maybe their decisions were overriden by some goofs in the FO at draft time or at UFA signing time or at the time when it became obvious that they had to sift through the culls of other teams.

Or maybe it was the coaches' fault.

Or maybe - - to use a couple of the classic whipping boys of the Warpath - - it was Mike Florio's and Jason LaCanfora's fault...

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

There are multiple ways to build a good offensive line.

Way #1: Spend high draft picks (Rounds 1 and 2) on offensive linemen, develop them and hope they don't blow out a knee.


Way #2: Look for "hidden gems" in the laste rounds or in the UFA ranks, develop them and hope they don't blow out a knee.


Way #3: Draft or get via UFA two - - or even three - - good OL and then sign via free agency a couple of Pro-Bowlers none of whom blows out a knee.


Now, tell me which of these three avenues to a GOOD offensive line the Redskins have followed over the past decade? The answer would be Way #2 - - except for the minor problem that the Redskins' hidden gems seem to have turned out to be Fools' Gold!


The Skins tried "Way #2" - - - but the folks who did the evaluation of the potential "hidden gems" seem to have been wrong close to 100% of the time. [If you want to argue with that, please look at the 2009 roster and tell me which of the "hidden gems" played like a "real" NFL quality OL for 16 games or so. After you can't find one, just admit that the evaluation process was probably faulty from the beginning.]

Or maybe it wasn't the evaluators' fault; maybe their decisions were overriden by some goofs in the FO at draft time or at UFA signing time or at the time when it became obvious that they had to sift through the culls of other teams.

Or maybe it was the coaches' fault.

Or maybe - - to use a couple of the classic whipping boys of the Warpath - - it was Mike Florio's and Jason LaCanfora's fault...

Jeremy Bridges whom we cut during pre-season started much of the season at RT for the Cardinals.
Option #4: Better evaluation of players already on team roster.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Jeremy Bridges whom we cut during pre-season started much of the season at RT for the Cardinals.
Option #4: Better evaluation of players already on team roster.

Or a combination of drafting players with your top draft picks, acquiring free agents, and looking for hidden gems.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Jeremy Bridges whom we cut during pre-season started much of the season at RT for the Cardinals.
Option #4: Better evaluation of players already on team roster.

Excellent point. Bridges would have been a big help to us this year. Instead we set him free and got nothing in return.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

There are multiple ways to build a good offensive line.

Way #1: Spend high draft picks (Rounds 1 and 2) on offensive linemen, develop them and hope they don't blow out a knee.


Way #2: Look for "hidden gems" in the laste rounds or in the UFA ranks, develop them and hope they don't blow out a knee.


Way #3: Draft or get via UFA two - - or even three - - good OL and then sign via free agency a couple of Pro-Bowlers none of whom blows out a knee.


Now, tell me which of these three avenues to a GOOD offensive line the Redskins have followed over the past decade? The answer would be Way #2 - - except for the minor problem that the Redskins' hidden gems seem to have turned out to be Fools' Gold!


The Skins tried "Way #2" - - - but the folks who did the evaluation of the potential "hidden gems" seem to have been wrong close to 100% of the time. [If you want to argue with that, please look at the 2009 roster and tell me which of the "hidden gems" played like a "real" NFL quality OL for 16 games or so. After you can't find one, just admit that the evaluation process was probably faulty from the beginning.]

Or maybe it wasn't the evaluators' fault; maybe their decisions were overriden by some goofs in the FO at draft time or at UFA signing time or at the time when it became obvious that they had to sift through the culls of other teams.

Or maybe it was the coaches' fault.

Or maybe - - to use a couple of the classic whipping boys of the Warpath - - it was Mike Florio's and Jason LaCanfora's fault...

or maybe the Redskins acquired top level FA talent (Rabach, Thomas, Dock) and re-signed their own (Samuels, Jansen) that didn't last as long as anticipated due to unforseen injuries to players who were previously pretty injury free.

Redskins starting OL Game 1 2009:
LT - Chris Samuels, Rd. 1, over pick # 3
LG - Derrick Dockery, Rd. 3, pick # 81 (let go in FA because contract demand was too high, returned as a FA with reasonable contract)
C - Casey Rabach, Rd. 3, pick # 92 (signed as FA in 2005)
RG - Randy Thomas, Rd. 2, pick # 57 (signed as FA in 2003)
RT - Stephon Heyer, UFA

Give the FO bashing a rest. We get it, the OL broke down, bad decisions were made. Vinny was fired, Zorn and the rest of the coaching staff are gone. Let's move on.

Fast-forward to the present....95% of the folks here approve the Shanahan hiring, a strong majority approved of Bruce Allen. As I've said before if $hit goes South I don't want to hear those who agreed with these hirings bashing Snyder.

and yes all the problems can be traced to Florio and JLC. They suck.