Portis staying?

[SolidSnake84]

Portis is garbage. He's washed up. I dont know why some people still give him so much of a break...he has done everything in his power to implode the team, alienate his fellow players, and just generally be a nuisance.

Mark my words, there is absolutley no way that Portis agrees to Shanahan's terms. He is a guy who does not like to practice, work out, or attend any kind of extra meetings. He's a flabby slob on the field. Horrible conditioning. He is a gutless snake who talks crap about people behind their backs, because he's too much of a chicken shit to confront them, obviously because he knows his punk ass would get beat down.

Look at what he did to Sellars, and Jason Campbell. Both of that stuff was behind their back. A guy like him will never change his stripes. And if he stays here, somebody is eventually going to give him what he has coming to him....

[Smooter]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Portis is garbage. He's washed up. I dont know why some people still give him so much of a break...he has done everything in his power to implode the team, alienate his fellow players, and just generally be a nuisance.

Mark my words, there is absolutley no way that Portis agrees to Shanahan's terms. He is a guy who does not like to practice, work out, or attend any kind of extra meetings. He's a flabby slob on the field. Horrible conditioning. He is a gutless snake who talks crap about people behind their backs, because he's too much of a chicken shit to confront them, obviously because he knows his punk ass would get beat down.

Look at what he did to Sellars, and Jason Campbell. Both of that stuff was behind their back. A guy like him will never change his stripes. And if he stays here, somebody is eventually going to give him what he has coming to him....

Michael Westbrook style...

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

I don't think CP is the demon that some want to make him out to be, but he's certainly not an innocent party in all of this. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. He needs to be reeled in a bit and Shanahan can do that.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Even the best or runningbacks stumble. Peterson just yesterday did the same thing and ended what was one move away from being a 50 or 60 yard td run. Betts is a mediocre back-up at best. The only time he was worth his weight was when portis was injured, randy and samuels returned, and Betts had the full and healthy o-line ahead of him.
Seriously though. I mean, yeah, Sellars had one year were like 8 out of his 9 catches were TDs but since then, what's the situation? He's costed us many games where there was no if, ands, or maybe's. I'm sure we ALL remember the goaline drive where he literaly handed the otehr team the ball. We cant use him as the power-back in the redzone cuz he fumbles too much! and we've tried, lord knows we tried, but he never busts threw for the touch, but PORTIS does. (so does Marcus Mason)
Now, If Shanahan can find another YOUNGER Champ Bailey to trade Portis for, then fine, but the LAST thing i want is Portis to run uss over like Stephen Davis did when we let HIM go.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Even the best or runningbacks stumble. Peterson just yesterday did the same thing and ended what was one move away from being a 50 or 60 yard td run. Betts is a mediocre back-up at best. The only time he was worth his weight was when portis was injured, randy and samuels returned, and Betts had the full and healthy o-line ahead of him.
Seriously though. I mean, yeah, Sellars had one year were like 8 out of his 9 catches were TDs but since then, what's the situation? He's costed us many games where there was no if, ands, or maybe's. I'm sure we ALL remember the goaline drive where he literaly handed the otehr team the ball. We cant use him as the power-back in the redzone cuz he fumbles too much! and we've tried, lord knows we tried, but he never busts threw for the touch, but PORTIS does. (so does Marcus Mason)
Now, If Shanahan can find another YOUNGER Champ Bailey to trade Portis for, then fine, but the LAST thing i want is Portis to run uss over like Stephen Davis did when we let HIM go.

So now this is all Sellers fault? Well we got rid of Mason cause he couldn't block. It didn't matter that he was a good runner. So maybe we should simply cut Seller's.

All I can say is no one looked good in Zorn's screwed up offense. No one. Is/Was Portis a good runner? Yes. Could he provide 2 or 3 more decent yrs? who knows. But this is looking to be an uncapped yr. Most likely the only uncapped yr. Now is the time to shed the big contracts prior to any new CBA so we are not stuck with the big contracts any more or Vinny's future mortgage's. Thats the big issue. Now is Portis producing? Yes. So I guess the team has to weigh his worth. Keep in mind Portis is aging, seems to be injury prone, has a foot issue, and a concussion issue. If he were to get surgery on his foot and come back balls to the walls working out with the team, practicing with the team, playing in preseason with the team, and not complaining, then I'm for paying off his salary and re-signing him at a lower wage which would be more future cap friendly. But there still is the issue of him having a major concussion. Will his doctor release him to play again? and if he does he will be more easily suseptible to getting another concussion. He's not the shifty RB he used to be since Gibbs had him he has turned into the power RB Gibbs likes which means Portis will be taking a pounding with his head issue. Plus to top that off Shanahan has a plug and play RB system.

Now is he worth keeping? I'd say no. Cut him lose the big contract and find a younger healthier RB for Shanahan's system. Since just about anyone can run in it. Find someone who will be more of a team player and will play as he pratices.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

First thing's first, I just started on Warpath so trust me, Sellers isn't JUST NOW becoming a problem in MY book. Did his fumbles cost many games? Yes. Has he ever been that guy to punch it in the endzone? No. Fourth and inches alstot/ bettis type? No. THe man is a beast, don't get me wrong, but you can't do that mess and win. You just can't! You can't count the fumbles yesterday and blame Favre ALONE for the loss, but yes, his mistake was the most costly. Well, sellers does both. There was a time when he was one of the best lead blockers in the league... not anymore. Period

As for if Shanahan's offense, no it's not an "Any back will do" offense. Look at the ones that succeeded in his offense. The fact is that they picked good ones. If Shanahan finds the next big back, then sweet! But if the next kid isn't better than CP then i'll be pissed. Every 3 yard Betts run would've been 7 if it was CP. Now, for Portis, the workhorse, to be put into a familiar system on which he once thrived... I don't know about you, but i see endzone cartwheels in our near future.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

Good post. I believe its time to move on from Portis along with players such as: ARE, Randy Thomas, Rabach, Smoot, Rock, Daniels under the old regime and should be released or not brought back along with this movement. As a franchise we bottomed out this year under the Snyder/Vinny leadership, and now its a new era. Portis contract is disgusting and Shanny has proven he can get any RB to preform in his system. Portis's mouth doesnt help, you dont call out your QB to the media EVER. Its time for change.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

This has gotten to be one of the most lamest excuses I've ever heard. Throw your teamate or coach under the bus and justify it with, "He was only telling the truth". I guess some of the linemen should have gone on radio and said, " We'd have a better running game if Portis would come to practice and stop falling over his own feet". Or, " Maybe if Portis would hit the freakin hole like he's suppose to we would have gotten the first down". They would have only been telling the truth. You don't come out and publicly criticize a teamate or coach after they make a mistake. At least professionals don't. Portis is the LAST person on this team who should be throwing stones. On most teams, you don't see that. That would be like AP fumbling 3 times and then throwing Favre under the bus for throwing an INT. Portis needed to step his game up but instead blamed his teamates. PUBLICLY.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Portis is the MAIN one that has the right to comlain. People got on Haynesworth too. That's my dog! THe man shoved two 300+ pound guys backward play after play, yet people whined that he took too many breathers. He singlehandedly changed the runningstyles of every team we played! Look ath how dallas treated us without him! They ran up the gut and dared us to stop them. whenever one of our guys was getting roughed up, Big Al came rushin' in like "WHAT! BACK UP FOOL!" and swingin! He's the man! Was he happy about the system? No. Did he keep quite about it? Heck yeah! Game after excruciating game! He didn't say a thing till the season was almost over. Then when he couldn't take it anymore, he politely stated that he wasn't used to the fullest. Orakpo wasnt either. Now, Portis is in the same spot, only on offense! Portis and Moss are the only game changers we got on offense. Cooley, yeah, but only when we're in a rhythm. If the line trashed portis, they would be lying. He isn't missing holes, he isn't tripping any more or less than any other back, he isn't going at half speed, and he isn't giving less than his all! The man has a strong personality, but to put him in the same category as T.O. is a bit much. Besides, once again, HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH!

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Don't get me wrong, trashing a player on your team is not 'nice'. i just think it's not an unpardonable sin. I would much rather hear that cooley quote abaout how Campbell needs "bigger balls", than hear him pretend there is no issue. It's not like he does it all the time. It's not like it COSTS us any GAMES. Besides, sometimes calling people out makes them step up. Ask Rich Gannon how he took the Raiders to the SuperBowl. If the line doesn't like it, then they need to step up. If Sellers doesnt like it, then he needs to do his job right. Once they do... THEN you can properly evaluate Portis. People compare Jason to the best and call him crap instead of the 20 starters he's either as good as or getter dispite have been sacked twice as much and hit 4 times as much.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Don't get me wrong, trashing a player on your team is not 'nice'. i just think it's not an unpardonable sin. I would much rather hear that cooley quote abaout how Campbell needs "bigger balls", than hear him pretend there is no issue. It's not like he does it all the time. It's not like it COSTS us any GAMES. Besides, sometimes calling people out makes them step up. Ask Rich Gannon how he took the Raiders to the SuperBowl. If the line doesn't like it, then they need to step up. If Sellers doesnt like it, then he needs to do his job right. Once they do... THEN you can properly evaluate Portis. People compare Jason to the best and call him crap instead of the 20 starters he's either as good as or getter dispite have been sacked twice as much and hit 4 times as much.

The difference is if you're one of those guys who are giving 100% by going to practice, keeping yourself in shape, attending OTA's and being there with your teamates learning and practicing that weeks gameplan, then yeah, you have a right to speak out about people who AREN'T doing those things. Portis was not one of those guys.