Portis staying?

[MonkFan4Life]

I love hoe we can say that Portis should go but there are so many who love the "Never Has Done Anything For Us" Jason Campbell. But then again, onve he gets another contract which means more money YOU ALL WILL turn on him. WATCH !!!!

Portis was 13 yards shy of 1,500 the year before last behind the same line that the underachiever couldn't produce behind. The guy gets hurt ;ast season and everyone says to let him go, or that we should. That man should and WILL be here next year. Shanny knows what he had in Clinton Portis because he NEVER had another back like Portis after he sent him here. Get off his back, he already has put the team there on the way to the playoffs twice.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I love hoe we can say that Portis should go but there are so many who love the "Never Has Done Anything For Us" Jason Campbell. But then again, onve he gets another contract which means more money YOU ALL WILL turn on him. WATCH !!!!

Totally OT, but I find it interesting that someone with the moniker MonkFan4Life would choose to support a player like Portis who doesn't practice, gets special treatment, and throws teammates under the bus, then trash a guy like Campbell who for the most part has shut his mouth and did his job, while most of the front office and lots of media pundits took a dump on him. I'd think a MonkFan (because I'm one myself) would be a bigger fan of the hard-working quiet guy. But whatever...

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Portis was 13 yards shy of 1,500 the year before last behind the same line that the underachiever couldn't produce behind.

Okay, let me get this straight -- Portis's rushing yardage -- which took him 342 attempts, by the way -- 3rd most in the league that year -- is somehow proof that Campbell should have put up better numbers that year?

So you're saying that, say, since Thomas Jones had 1300 yards rushing that year, Favre should have had a better year throwing the ball? Yet his 3472/22/22 isn't markedly better than Campbell's 3245/13/6 -- in fact it's worse, if you go by passer rating.

Let's see -- DeAngelo Williams rushed for 1500 in '08. How did Delhomme do passing behind that line? 3288/15/12 -- 84.7 passer rating, a smidge higher than Jason.

Gosh, it kind of looks like Jason wasn't the only QB who did "OK" behind an O-Line that featured a 1000 to 1500 yard back.

It's almost like Campbell's performance is *totally irrelevant* to the argument of whether Portis should be here next year!

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

The guy gets hurt ;ast season and everyone says to let him go, or that we should.

Oh, I don't know, if I was so sick that I missed 25% of my work days over the past 4 years, I'm pretty sure my employers might start looking for a replacement, don't you?

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Shanny knows what he had in Clinton Portis because he NEVER had another back like Portis after he sent him here.

Well, you got that right. He never had another 1500 yard back. He just had to make due with three seasons of consecutive 1000 yard backs he pieced together with bailing wire and duct tape. Reuben Droughns? Tatum Bell? Mike Anderson? Are you kidding me?

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Get off his back, he already has put the team there on the way to the playoffs twice.

That's true, he has put the team on his back for two playoff runs. His 2.77 ypc playoff rushing average is also one of the main reasons those playoff runs ended.

[MonkFan4Life]

My user name has nothing to do with this issue. The fact that it was your opening salvo really lets me know how much you had on me for a response. I'm a football fan chief, I can also take the Redskins shades off to judge a player for them and not what a newspaper or talk show host wants me to think. That's something else, but I'll get to the facts that you tried to prove me wrong with. I didn't say a thing about Williams and Jones but I'll meet you there also. Delhomme is one of the FEW QB's that I wouldn't drop Campbell for and Favre had a bad year BUUUUUUT he did throw 22 TD's as well. Campbells performance is relevant when the O-Line is one of the reasons given for his production or lack there of, he's another subject for me. On to the subject at hand.

Now, it took Portis 342 attempts to gain those yards, So the F what. He got them didn't he. Obviously there were a lot of men in the box, or maybe the same line that you would complain about Jason having to play behind gave him the same grief. I guess that doesn't count. I can't believe that you can really discount the fact that he put the team on his back for 2 playoff runs. Honestly, but you say because they lost that it was HIS fault ? WOW

I really wish you had looked up stats before you thought about choosing me as the guy to make a name on. Let's look at the great running backs that you speak of after Portis.

The year before Portis got to Denver (2001),Terrell Davis gave them 701 and Mike Anderson gave them 678.

'02 Portis - 1,508
Mike Anderson -386. I wonder why he wasn't starting ?
'03 Portis - 1,591
'04 Droughns - 1,240
'05 Mike Anderson -1,014
Tatum Bell - 921
'06 Tatum Bell 1,025
'07 Selvin Young -729

Do you notice something ? Like I said, He knows what he had in Portis, and that guy is not done. If people can say that Jason needs blocking to be successful, what can Portis do with the same thing ? The same thing that he has done without it,...produce.

This is a lot of typing so if you are on XBox Live we can continue this debate but believe me I'm not a kid, I'm not an easy win.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

My user name has nothing to do with this issue.

It has about as much to do with it as Jason Campbell's passing performance, but like I said -- totally off topic. I just found it interesting since I consider myself a Monk fan as well, and Portis' attitudes in several areas rub me the wrong way.

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I'm a football fan chief, I can also take the Redskins shades off to judge a player for them and not what a newspaper or talk show host wants me to think.

That's good; that tells me you'd be able to objectively put your appreciation for Portis' past performance on the field aside and consider the realities of what he may or may not do next year.

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I didn't say a thing about Williams and Jones but I'll meet you there also. Delhomme is one of the FEW QB's that I wouldn't drop Campbell for and Favre had a bad year BUUUUUUT he did throw 22 TD's as well. Campbells performance is relevant when the O-Line is one of the reasons given for his production or lack there of, he's another subject for me. On to the subject at hand.

Okay, you proved me wrong by saying that Favre and Delhomme had bad years? Makes no sense. My point was you used another irrelevant measure to compare Portis and Campbell, which makes no sense at all. And the only reason you even brought Jason up was to trash him because "all you guys who love Jason will be sorry when Portis leaves" or whatever.

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Now, it took Portis 342 attempts to gain those yards, So the F what. He got them didn't he. Obviously there were a lot of men in the box, or maybe the same line that you would complain about Jason having to play behind gave him the same grief. I guess that doesn't count.

So the F what? It's called yards per carry. If you gave Fred Smoot enough carries he could gain a lot of yards rushing, too. 1500 yards is 1500 yards, and you can't sneeze at that, but what does it mean when the team still failed to do anything AND Portis was so abused that he spent half the following season injured?

The *fact* (yes, I use them) remains that when Portis has had 1500 yard seasons or very close to them, the next year he has missed 8 games. TWICE. That ain't coincidence, dude, that's mechanical failure.

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I can't believe that you can really discount the fact that he put the team on his back for 2 playoff runs. Honestly, but you say because they lost that it was HIS fault ? WOW

No, I didn't discount them and I didn't say the losses were solely on Clinton. But the fact remains that the dude requires so many touches to generate yardage that by the time the playoffs roll around he is spent, and that IS a major reason we failed to advance -- lack of a solid run game! You cannot dispute this! If you say he's such a huge reason for the team's success, how can he NOT bear blame when he breaks down during those playoff games?

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I really wish you had looked up stats before you thought about choosing me as the guy to make a name on.

The hilarious part is that you reposted the same information I did, and seem to think I missed Portis' 1500 yard seasons, when I explicitly called it out in my response.

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Do you notice something ? Like I said, He knows what he had in Portis, and that guy is not done.

Yes, I noticed that Shanahan got the best shutdown corner in the league and then replaced Portis' 1500 yards with 1000 yards from a bunch of nobodies. Did he miss those 500 yards? I'm sure, but I think he was happy with the team's relative improvement even if he didn't have the #1 ranked rushing offense.

[SolidSnake84]

Man this thread sucks....everybody is at everybody's throat....We don't need that here....the thing i like about the WP is that everybody is usually so relaxed.

Some of these debates are good though...

I like a point that I am seeing ground out here: Everyone here appreciates CP's past work for us...however only a few people still feel that his past work should give him an indefinate pass on the future

[dgack]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Man this thread sucks....everybody is at everybody's throat....We don't need that here....the thing i like about the WP is that everybody is usually so relaxed.

Some of these debates are good though...

I like a point that I am seeing ground out here: Everyone here appreciates CP's past work for us...however only a few people still feel that his past work should give him an indefinate pass on the future

You know, you're right about that Snake and I guess it's the tone of some posts that seem to be angling for people to argue with them. The dumbest part of it is that it doesn't matter what any of us argue here, either the guy stays or goes, and it's going to come down to impressing a guy who traded him away several years ago.

From my posts in this thread you'd probably think I'm anti-Portis, but I've got the man's jersey hanging in my closet (next to my Monk and my Campbell, ironically), and my signature image from the Fantasy bulletin board I used to frequent calls me the driver of the Portis Bandwagon, because I've been that guy when a lot of folks said he was done.

For me, Portis has taken a decidely Arenas turn this past season, where mileage and injuries are catching up to him and his behavior hasn't exactly been the kind of foundation you can build a locker room around. That doesn't take away from what he has done on the field in the past, but I also do not think we are going to win many football games in the future relying on CP to shoulder the load.

So I'll just agree to disagree with MonkFan and anyone else who wants to hold on to the guy. And no more going for the throat, lol.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

My user name has nothing to do with this issue. The fact that it was your opening salvo really lets me know how much you had on me for a response. I'm a football fan chief, I can also take the Redskins shades off to judge a player for them and not what a newspaper or talk show host wants me to think. That's something else, but I'll get to the facts that you tried to prove me wrong with. I didn't say a thing about Williams and Jones but I'll meet you there also. Delhomme is one of the FEW QB's that I wouldn't drop Campbell for and Favre had a bad year BUUUUUUT he did throw 22 TD's as well. Campbells performance is relevant when the O-Line is one of the reasons given for his production or lack there of, he's another subject for me. On to the subject at hand.

Now, it took Portis 342 attempts to gain those yards, So the F what. He got them didn't he. Obviously there were a lot of men in the box, or maybe the same line that you would complain about Jason having to play behind gave him the same grief. I guess that doesn't count. I can't believe that you can really discount the fact that he put the team on his back for 2 playoff runs. Honestly, but you say because they lost that it was HIS fault ? WOW

I really wish you had looked up stats before you thought about choosing me as the guy to make a name on. Let's look at the great running backs that you speak of after Portis.

The year before Portis got to Denver (2001),Terrell Davis gave them 701 and Mike Anderson gave them 678.

'02 Portis - 1,508
Mike Anderson -386. I wonder why he wasn't starting ?
'03 Portis - 1,591
'04 Droughns - 1,240
'05 Mike Anderson -1,014
Tatum Bell - 921
'06 Tatum Bell 1,025
'07 Selvin Young -729

Do you notice something ? Like I said, He knows what he had in Portis, and that guy is not done. If people can say that Jason needs blocking to be successful, what can Portis do with the same thing ? The same thing that he has done without it,...produce.

This is a lot of typing so if you are on XBox Live we can continue this debate but believe me I'm not a kid, I'm not an easy win.

I can't honestly speak for how much effort dgack put into his post, but that sure seemed like an easy win for him.