Kurt Warner announces retirement after 12 seasons

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Interesting argument you got there. Brady did always have that great defense of the Patriots, and I think you have to take that into consideration. I think if Manning wins this SB, I would put him at the same level as Brady. I do agree that back in 2006, Brady had terrible receivers and besides Branch or Vinatieri there were no offensive weapons. But looking at the Colts this year, Manning carried that team on his back with a suspect running game and a decent defense.

As I was typing this, I thought of the following...

Brady went on IR in 2008 and the team went 11-5 with a career back up. What record do you guys think the Colts would be without Manning? Or the Cards without Warner? (well we're about to find the latter one next year)

There would be no way that they would have all of those 12 win seasons without Manning.