RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares if they didn't make the playoffs? it sure wasn't his fault. we don't have any true studs on offense. all we have is some maybe's... when you bring a guy like marshall it opens up the running game, it opens stuff up for the TE's underneath, the 2nd and 3rd wr's will get single coverage, it will help jc. remember how important burress was during the giants sb run?? we're not talking about brandon lloyd here. if the price is right allen and shanahan need to try and make the deal.

Didn't say it was his fault. Just saying that even with his great numbers they still were never a playoff team. I'm saying in the grand scheme of things his gaudy numbers are irrelevant. I'd rather hold on to our draft picks, and develop something with the receivers we have

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares if they didn't make the playoffs? it sure wasn't his fault. we don't have any true studs on offense. all we have is some maybe's... when you bring a guy like marshall it opens up the running game, it opens stuff up for the TE's underneath, the 2nd and 3rd wr's will get single coverage, it will help jc. remember how important burress was during the giants sb run?? we're not talking about brandon lloyd here. if the price is right allen and shanahan need to try and make the deal.

If we got Marshall I'm just wondering how long it would take before you would call him a bitch, say you're sick of his act, his complaining, etc.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry Tripp but I don't judge guys on metrics. And neither does anyone that plays in the NFL. Above average players simply don't catch 20 + passes on two different occasion, put up 100 + catches 3 years in a row. It just doesn't happen. I mean the guy had 100 catches w/ Kyle Orton as his QB, plus he missed a game. His credentials on the field speak for themsleves. We haven't seen that type of production at the WR spot since the Posse days. You may not know what he is at this point but I think the rest of the NFL does. And I can promise you the NFL and the guys who defend him don't think of Brandon Marshall as an above average player.

So, would you say that it's the football guy who wanted to cut him (Shanahan) who doesn't know what he is at this point, or the current coach who wants to trade him rather than work with him (McDaniels)? Or are they not "football people" if they disagree with you?

Also, do not bother to tell me that you don't judge guys on metrics, while spitting two or three different metrics back at me as to why your point should be considered. You absolutely do use stats to back your points, but high receptions don't tell you anything about the effectiveness of a given player. In a vacuum, high reception players are better than low reception players, but Marshall isn't being compared to Early Doucet and Sam Hurd here. I don't think that Marshall's 100 catch seasons should be ignored, but if most of his catches don't produce first downs, he's not an elite player. Period.

If the Broncos can get a bunch of draft picks and a quarterback or a defensive player for Marshall, more power to them. He'll probably be the No. 1 wherever he goes next , and maybe at some point in his career, he'll play with a defense that will get him into the postseason. He'll always make those highlight reel catches because he's highly skilled at them, but Marshall shouldn't be mentioned with the best in the game. If he is, then his reception total is being overvalued, which, believe it or not, is a stat.

[GTripp0012]

To clarify: if the Redskins acquired Marshall, he'd be our No. 1. If the Cowboys or Giants got him, he'd be their No. 2. If the Packers or Patriots or Cardinals got him, he'd be their No. 3.

Obviously, none of those teams at the end would be interested in trading for him, because they don't need a third WR, but I don't know if Marshall would be a No. 1 on more than half the teams in this league. I suspect (but have not checked) that he wouldn't be.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If we got Marshall I'm just wondering how long it would take before you would call him a bitch, say you're sick of his act, his complaining, etc.

No s**t. He didn't even want to play through an injury when the playoffs were on the line. Of course I guess that's not as bad as going to a basketball game on a bad ankle.

[celts32]

I am tired of Me guys like Marshall...I don't want any more of them on my team.

[Lotus]

^ Well said. Let's obtain some "Us" guys.

[mredskins]

I don't care if they are us,me,you,them,they guys, I just want them to be win guys.

[HugeMonkFan]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't care if they are us,me,you,them,they guys, I just want them to be win guys.

you need a collection of "us" guys to win...we have a shitton of "mes" and not enough "we" now and you see how well (/sarcasm) we are doing now

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well said. Why on earth would we ship away multiple picks for a malcontent WR when we have such pressing needs at other positions? I think Devin Thomas is well on his way to being the playmaker we hoped he'd be when he was drafted.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results. Giving up multiple draft picks for this guy would be exactly that.

Agreed. We have a somewhat promising looking group, depending on a couple of things. I have pretty good faith that Thomas and Kelly will really show up this year, Shanahan will work things out to help them.

[HugeMonkFan]

they have keenan mccardell as their receivers coach now if that means anything, dudes been around long enough you think he would know his shit...we will see

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If we got Marshall I'm just wondering how long it would take before you would call him a bitch, say you're sick of his act, his complaining, etc.

lol. i'll put up w/ his act as long as he's producing on the field. we've got a few guys who act like bitches and play like bitches. i call it like i see it. when i guy tackles like a girl and then when he makes a routine play gets up and salutes the crowd what do you call it?? gary clark was a bit of a cry baby but he's one of my all time favorite redskins. he showed up every single sun. sometimes when he was hurt and just had total disregard for his body and balled his ass off. he actually HATED to lose. i'll take 53 gary clark's over guys like laundry, hall and albert haynesworth any day of the week.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So, would you say that it's the football guy who wanted to cut him (Shanahan) who doesn't know what he is at this point, or the current coach who wants to trade him rather than work with him (McDaniels)? Or are they not "football people" if they disagree with you?

Also, do not bother to tell me that you don't judge guys on metrics, while spitting two or three different metrics back at me as to why your point should be considered. You absolutely do use stats to back your points, but high receptions don't tell you anything about the effectiveness of a given player. In a vacuum, high reception players are better than low reception players, but Marshall isn't being compared to Early Doucet and Sam Hurd here. I don't think that Marshall's 100 catch seasons should be ignored, but if most of his catches don't produce first downs, he's not an elite player. Period.

If the Broncos can get a bunch of draft picks and a quarterback or a defensive player for Marshall, more power to them. He'll probably be the No. 1 wherever he goes next , and maybe at some point in his career, he'll play with a defense that will get him into the postseason. He'll always make those highlight reel catches because he's highly skilled at them, but Marshall shouldn't be mentioned with the best in the game. If he is, then his reception total is being overvalued, which, believe it or not, is a stat.

Do you have any proof that Shanahan wanted to cut him? All I'm saying is Marshall does things that 90% of the NFL wr's can't do. Calling him "above average" is just ridiculous. I've seen the guy play and just by watching him he's a stud. Runs like a RB after the catch, has good hands and he has the ability to take over games, he's physical...he's everything our offense needs. Your argument comparing Marshall to Edwards is just silly. We'll just agree to disagree.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

To clarify: if the Redskins acquired Marshall, he'd be our No. 1. If the Cowboys or Giants got him, he'd be their No. 2. If the Packers or Patriots or Cardinals got him, he'd be their No. 3.

Obviously, none of those teams at the end would be interested in trading for him, because they don't need a third WR, but I don't know if Marshall would be a No. 1 on more than half the teams in this league. I suspect (but have not checked) that he wouldn't be.

I wonder sometimes do you ever actually watch the games. I mean who on the Giants or Cowboys is better than Marshall? What wr on thoses team has the overall production of Marshall? I mean some of your comments are simply insane.

[MTK]

Yeah I mean Steve Smith (NY) is very solid, but better than Marshall? I'm not buying that at all.