The end of the three point stance?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Most of the problems I hear with lineman post-football are related to their backs and hands. I agree we need to make the game safer, but I honestly don't believe making it illegal to get in a three point stance is a way to do that.

Here are two examples for you

ESPN Classic - Former Steeler Webster dies at age 50

"Webster was the last of the 22 Steelers who played on all four Super Bowl championship teams to leave the team, and the first to die. He refused to leave the lineup even for serious injuries, once playing six straight seasons without missing a snap.

However, that tough-guy insistence on playing hurt may have led to the brain damage. Webster's doctors said the concussions during his career damaged his frontal lobe, causing cognitive dysfunction."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/sp...l/15brain.html

[MTK]

C'mon folks, you don't think there's any serious head trauma going on along the lines during games? Guys crash into each other full force on the snap, helmets collide, guys are falling to the ground getting kicked, kneed, and elbowed.

As I said earlier, research is coming out that says all the small collisions during games add up and are perhaps more damaging over time than the big ones. At least with the big ones guys are held out to heal. With the smaller collisions guys don't even know they could be hurt and keep playing.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

C'mon folks, you don't think there's any serious head trauma going on along the lines during games? Guys crash into each other full force on the snap, helmets collide, guys are falling to the ground getting kicked, kneed, and elbowed.

As I said earlier, research is coming out that says all the small collisions during games add up and are perhaps more damaging over time than the big ones. At least with the big ones guys are held out to heal. With the smaller collisions guys don't even know they could be hurt and keep playing.

Without a doubt those mini collisions cause damage over time. The problem is that those mini collisions along the line are inherant to football and the only way to remove them completely is to ban blocking and line play. That will remove those kind of injuries but the game wont be football anymore.

While I've never seen any studies about the pads & helmets I have wondered if the hard plastic shells used cause the players to hit harder (in any collision) because they feel so protected thereby magnifying the collision's result.

[Lotus]

Some day football will be played by easily-repaired robots. I can't wait for the 2125 Super Bowl!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by duetsch215

Roger Goodell is the worst commissioner the NFL has ever seen. He has already trying to change the league's toughness by fining every hard hit and now this? This is football. these men choose to take the risk of getting injured for the large sums of money and because the sport is so fun to play

seriously.. I get some of the stuff.. but work for better helmets primarily, I know that there are pilot programs and new helmet designs coming out and whatnot.. but yeah..

I mean good step considering that a lot of people are having issues after football, but not every hit deserves a fine, sometimes you have head to head incidentally.. is he going to put a cap on how fast you can run?

between this type of stuff and the let's make every dollar possible by shipping things overseas I'm really not fond of him

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Studies on concussions have shown that it's just not the big hits that cause damage, but all the little ones that add up over time

No doubt, but like boxing it's a violent sport. It sucks when someone becomes disabled but it's also the path chosen and nowadays, a very lucrative one. I'm all for reducing injuries, but you've got to let the players play. I think that newer helmets, as mentioned earlier, would be a great step. If you have to replace them more often (like say a motorcycle helmet) then so be it. The designs have to take all of the small abuse and the big hits throughout the season or so. I'd think that there would be a better design by now that's more widely implemented. I know that they have the pilot program with that one helmet but I remember reading a couple of years ago about some newer ones in development. Equipment hasn't changed a whole lot in the past several years. I know that helmets alone can't prevent concussions, but there's gotta be something that will help improve protection at a measurable rate.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

the caps, here in dc it's hockey mania right now, no one is talking about the skins at all the caps are taking over 14 straight wins right now

Yeah but hockey isn't huge everywhere in the U.S.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If it can actually curb concussions...more lineman are using the two point stance than ever before.

But there would have to be some actual evidence that this could accomplish that goal before they just got rid of a staple of football for the sake of doing it.

4th and goal.. game on the line, power back snarling waiting for the ball.. linemen in the two-point

something just doesn't sound right

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the title of this article is a tad misleading and seems to have people in a tizzy. If you read the article it says he's not ruling out the idea of banning the 3 point stance... not that anything is in the works to do so like the title suggests. Relax folks, he's just keeping his options open. This would be a pretty drastic change and I don't see it happening.

Yeah and he basically can't (shouldn't) say something like "No way we'd ever do that." But it's easy to hate on the man.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

No doubt, but like boxing it's a violent sport. It sucks when someone becomes disabled but it's also the path chosen and nowadays, a very lucrative one. I'm all for reducing injuries, but you've got to let the players play. I think that newer helmets, as mentioned earlier, would be a great step. If you have to replace them more often (like say a motorcycle helmet) then so be it. The designs have to take all of the small abuse and the big hits throughout the season or so. I'd think that there would be a better design by now that's more widely implemented. I know that they have the pilot program with that one helmet but I remember reading a couple of years ago about some newer ones in development. Equipment hasn't changed a whole lot in the past several years. I know that helmets alone can't prevent concussions, but there's gotta be something that will help improve protection at a measurable rate.

Well that's not entirely true. Not every player gets Dockery's Bills contract. Contracts aren't guaranteed and the benefits for retired players are a constant source of debate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah and he basically can't (shouldn't) say something like "No way we'd ever do that." But it's easy to hate on the man.

Honestly I don't get the haters when it comes to Goodell. He's made a pretty smooth transition over from Tagliabue and done some good things in his short time as commish. I like that he's taken a firm stance with a lot of issues including player conduct.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Honestly I don't get the haters when it comes to Goodell. He's made a pretty smooth transition over from Tagliabue and done some good things in his short time as commish. I like that he's taken a firm stance with a lot of issues including player conduct.

my biggest beef with him is his obbsession with trying to take the nfl to other countries. i really can't stand that and think it is absolutly retarded, there is no way in hell manchester united would ever play a meaningful game in the united states.

i really don't mind what he is doing with the player conduct because that has been long overdue

[MTK]

The NFL has played games in other countries for years, it wasn't a Goodell initiative.

[mlmdub130]

he didn't start it but he is moving forward with it, the bills are playing a bunch of their home gmes in canada over the next few years, and he is pushing forward with trying to have atleast two games played outside the us each year, imo that is bs

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by TheGuyFromOverThere

Roger Goodell Says NFL Is Considering Banning the Three-Point Stance - NFL - NESN.com

Does anyone know how accurate this page is or has seen it on CBS?

I personally think... this idea sucks. Period.

i read the transcript a few days ago. from my reading, goodell basically said two sentences in response to a question regarding 3 point stances:

1) "anything is possible and they will look into it any possible safety improvement"

2) he said something about "if you look at the games (or superbowl im not sure which he was referring to) you already see no 3 point stances"

the article cbs posted seems to exagerate alil bit, they should have just posted goddell's actual comments which were 2 sentences long (if they are basing their article of his address then Q &A).