Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well

[MTK]

I think part of the rationale behind seeking out a veteran compliment to Portis is to give him that extra kick in the ass too.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think part of the rationale behind seeking out a veteran compliment to Portis is to give him that extra kick in the ass too.

Therein lies the problem, that CP even needs a kick in the ass says he's not the kind of guy you want on your team. I guess I dont understand why a team would bring in an aging player to compliment another aging player. IMO, the real kick in the ass would come from a rookie coming in and running rings around CP. I think CP will have a few good games but in the end he will fizzle out by about week 4. Bottom line is the Skins held on to him too long.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by irish

Therein lies the problem, that CP even needs a kick in the ass says he's not the kind of guy you want on your team. I guess I dont understand why a team would bring in an aging player to compliment another aging player. IMO, the real kick in the ass would come from a rookie coming in and running rings around CP. I think CP will have a few good games but in the end he will fizzle out by about week 4. Bottom line is the Skins held on to him too long.

Because aging players are the only ones available until April 22.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Because aging players are the only ones available until April 22.

I understand that, all they have to do is wait and draft a young one. Just because free agency is going on doesnt mean the Skins have to participate.

[SolidSnake84]

About a few days ago, i put all my hate of portis aside....i started looking at things from a team standpoint. And what i can't understand is why they are even committing to him. I could understand 100% totally if they made him a backup. But here's the thing:

His behavior and other problems have totally outweighed any potential good he could do here, especially over the last 2 seasons. I think he has worn out his welcome with most of the players, except for his close friends like Moss.

He has already had his prime. Taking nothing away from his achievements, he hit the wall physically during the mid part of 2008, and he has been fading fast ever since. You can't count on him to make a full season injury free. He isn't the guy that's going to go out there and get you 100 yds a game anymore.

I think the smartest move the team could make would be to get a young RB, not a retread like some of these old guys we are bringing in. We have one old worn out back. Getting another 30 year old back is ridiculous. We need someone who can step in this year when they will have to, and lead this team at the RB position.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

About a few days ago, i put all my hate of portis aside....i started looking at things from a team standpoint. And what i can't understand is why they are even committing to him. I could understand 100% totally if they made him a backup. But here's the thing:

His behavior and other problems have totally outweighed any potential good he could do here, especially over the last 2 seasons. I think he has worn out his welcome with most of the players, except for his close friends like Moss.

He has already had his prime. Taking nothing away from his achievements, he hit the wall physically during the mid part of 2008, and he has been fading fast ever since. You can't count on him to make a full season injury free. He isn't the guy that's going to go out there and get you 100 yds a game anymore.

I think the smartest move the team could make would be to get a young RB, not a retread like some of these old guys we are bringing in. We have one old worn out back. Getting another 30 year old back is ridiculous. We need someone who can step in this year when they will have to, and lead this team at the RB position.

I think the team perspective would be phrased more like this:
1 - We have an "old" guy who
a) is familiar with the coach,
b) is on the right side of 30,
c) proven his effectiveness in the past.
2 - There is a glut on the market of backs in the 29+ age range, so there is no trade market for a back who may be developing concussion issues
3 - We can pick up a quality, but old, vet who could step in if CP doesn't step up and practice and tow the line of a locker room leader, or at least not a problem child
4 - In April, if we can pick up some additional picks, or if the 4th round has one of our RB top prospects, than we will take a RB at that point.

The team goal is to improve the talent, coaching and player effectiveness. Shorting ourselves because CP didn't thrive in our former system doesn't accomplish any of that

[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think the team perspective would be phrased more like this:
1 - We have an "old" guy who
a) is familiar with the coach,
b) is on the right side of 30,
c) proven his effectiveness in the past.
2 - There is a glut on the market of backs in the 29+ age range, so there is no trade market for a back who may be developing concussion issues
3 - We can pick up a quality, but old, vet who could step in if CP doesn't step up and practice and tow the line of a locker room leader, or at least not a problem child
4 - In April, if we can pick up some additional picks, or if the 4th round has one of our RB top prospects, than we will take a RB at that point.

The team goal is to improve the talent, coaching and player effectiveness. Shorting ourselves because CP didn't thrive in our former system doesn't accomplish any of that

The old saying the Skins front office of old didnt understand is that its better to get rid of a player a year early rather than a year too late. The Skins have already held on to CP 2 years too long. I hope the new FO will follow that sage advice.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

The old saying the Skins front office of old didnt understand is that its better to get rid of a player a year early rather than a year too late. The Skins have already held on to CP 2 years too long. I hope the new FO will follow that sage advice.

so you wanted to get rid of CP when he was 27-28, but Philly kept BW till he was 30, with concussions and all. Got it, no bias, no preconceived Skins hate. CP rushed for 1400 yds last year, don't think that was keeping him to long. This past year VC/Zorn were ineffective EVERYONE knows that. Shanahan is giving him the benefit of doubt and letting him prove himself.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

so you wanted to get rid of CP when he was 27-28, but Philly kept BW till he was 30, with concussions and all. Got it, no bias, no preconceived Skins hate. CP rushed for 1400 yds last year, don't think that was keeping him to long. This past year VC/Zorn were ineffective EVERYONE knows that. Shanahan is giving him the benefit of doubt and letting him prove himself.

I think the argument can be had that CP hasn't had any degree of explosiveness as a runner since his age 25 season (2006). He was highly effective in 2008, particularly in power running, but even during that year, he never really created anything as much as he simply took the corner when Samuels, Cooley, Kendall, and Sellers (all of which had great run blocking years) got it for him.

I think the timing of his effective year was just unfortunate, perfectly placed between two years where he was useless to us as a runner. If he had produced consecutive seasons with no big runs, he probably wouldn't have made it this far. But because of the small hope that he'll rebound this year, it seems we're kind of stuck with him, for at least one more year.

[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

so you wanted to get rid of CP when he was 27-28, but Philly kept BW till he was 30, with concussions and all. Got it, no bias, no preconceived Skins hate. CP rushed for 1400 yds last year, don't think that was keeping him to long. This past year VC/Zorn were ineffective EVERYONE knows that. Shanahan is giving him the benefit of doubt and letting him prove himself.

That's about when I would have dumped him. Like I said the smart people get rid of players 1 year early instead of 1 year late. Sure CP got 1400 yds that year but last year he didnt do anything (btw, both years were under Zorn & VC so thats a moot point) and now he's not only injury prone he's concussion prone. Better to have let another team give him the benefit of the doubt and let them pay if he succeeds or fails. With all the RBs out there its stupid to even be worring about giving an overage overpaid bad attitude RB the benefit of the doubt. Its just not worth it.

[MTK]

Who says they won't also take a RB in the draft?

[sandtrapjack]

Question....does this mean that Portis will not go to Miami this year and be participating with the entire team in the off season program?

Does'nt he normally stay in the Miami area in the off-season and do his own off season work out program at the U?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Question....does this mean that Portis will not go to Miami this year and be participating with the entire team in the off season program?

Does'nt he normally stay in the Miami area in the off-season and do his own off season work out program at the U?

I'd love to know what program that was. Because last season his program looked like it consisted of Jolly Pirate Donuts. Man was he out of shape

[Player_HTTR]

This is off-subject a bit but I think the best comment came at the end of the interview.

JC was out on the preactice field watching the coaches. You can question his FB ability all day, I do, but his character is All-Pro.

[SirClintonPortis]

CP's getting up there carries-wise. That's why any rational person would worry about him tanking. Once RBs go over 2300 carries, it's just almost guaranteed they're done. LT couldn't escape it, Fred Taylor couldn't escape it, and Portis is going to follow them. His speed is already no longer elite. He's got bone spurs, etc.