Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins

[SBXVII]

What I find funny is a month ago, two months ago or longer people defended JC like a bee's hive. I'd say he can't read defenses, he throws behind his WR's all the time, he over throws his WR's, he fails to go through his progressions, he has terrible clock management..... and I'd be met with all this statistical BS to prove JC was not that bad and how under Shanahan he will be awsome and I didn't know what I'm talking about because the statistics showed otherwise.

We pick up McNabb and some of us point out that although McNabb had better players, system and HC his stats were not far and above JC's and thats worry some and everyone quickly throws up that "stats are not everything." I find it funny how people count the stats when it helps them and discounts stats when it hurts their arguement.

I'll be the first to say under Shanahan I'm not as worried about the OL as most of you are. I'm pretty sure he will fix the problem. I think we have enough coach's who coached WR's prior to their current gig that the position coach won't be an issue. All the position coach's are on the same page and the HC is far and above better then Zorn.

Some people have argued that Shanahan only made the SB cause he had a HOF/franchise QB in Elway, but I'll remind you that when Shanahan took over in Denver Elway was considered washed up and 34 y/o. McNabb is considered a HOF/franchise QB and is 33 y/o as Shanahan is taking over the Skins now. I'll say I hope he can work his magic again, but I'm not enamoured with this trade, I don't see McNabb as the McNabb prior to 2004 form, I'm worried about McNabb having all the tools to do a better job then what he did but didn't according to his stats or JC did far and above better with lesser talent to work with and a shitty HC/system.

I'm in no way endorsing JC. I'm glad we are trying to upgrade, I just wonder how much of an upgrade we made. The stats don't show we took a huge leap or bound to get better. If it was Payton Manning I'd say yes we did or Drew Brees I'd say yes we did. this feels like us making a lateral move with Cutler except it's McNabb instead. On top of that some of you are saying "are you crazy do you know what McNabb has done?" and I'm saying yes I do but do you know what he's done lately? Stop living in his past and look at his present and how his present will help us. He's only marginally better then JC according to his stats which means I hope Kyle Shanahan puts together one hell of a passing attack and Mike Shanahan builds one hell of a running attack and I'm proven wrong and McNabb thrives in this system and takes us to the SB. I'm just not sold on this deal as of yet. I was in "rebuild" mode. Our FO is one player away from the SB still.

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

What I find funny is a month ago, two months ago or longer people defended JC like a bee's hive. I'd say he can't read defenses, he throws behind his WR's all the time, he over throws his WR's, he fails to go through his progressions, he has terrible clock management..... and I'd be met with all this statistical BS to prove JC was not that bad and how under Shanahan he will be awsome and I didn't know what I'm talking about because the statistics showed otherwise.

We pick up McNabb and some of us point out that although McNabb had better players, system and HC his stats were not far and above JC's and thats worry some and everyone quickly throws up that "stats are not everything." I find it funny how people count the stats when it helps them and discounts stats when it hurts their arguement.

I'll be the first to say under Shanahan I'm not as worried about the OL as most of you are. I'm pretty sure he will fix the problem. I think we have enough coach's who coached WR's prior to their current gig that the position coach won't be an issue. All the position coach's are on the same page and the HC is far and above better then Zorn.

Some people have argued that Shanahan only made the SB cause he had a HOF/franchise QB in Elway, but I'll remind you that when Shanahan took over in Denver Elway was considered washed up and 34 y/o. McNabb is considered a HOF/franchise QB and is 33 y/o as Shanahan is taking over the Skins now. I'll say I hope he can work his magic again, but I'm not enamoured with this trade, I don't see McNabb as the McNabb prior to 2004 form, I'm worried about McNabb having all the tools to do a better job then what he did but didn't according to his stats or JC did far and above better with lesser talent to work with and a shitty HC/system.

I'm in no way endorsing JC. I'm glad we are trying to upgrade, I just wonder how much of an upgrade we made. The stats don't show we took a huge leap or bound to get better. If it was Payton Manning I'd say yes we did or Drew Brees I'd say yes we did. this feels like us making a lateral move with Cutler except it's McNabb instead. On top of that some of you are saying "are you crazy do you know what McNabb has done?" and I'm saying yes I do but do you know what he's done lately? Stop living in his past and look at his present and how his present will help us. He's only marginally better then JC according to his stats which means I hope Kyle Shanahan puts together one hell of a passing attack and Mike Shanahan builds one hell of a running attack and I'm proven wrong and McNabb thrives in this system and takes us to the SB. I'm just not sold on this deal as of yet. I was in "rebuild" mode. Our FO is one player away from the SB still.

You make very valid points. I am not going to argue which is better statistically. I think that is a foolish argument. Stats can be massaged any way you want them to be.

There are two things that I am focusing on with this move. Wins and losses and the belief of the team in their QB.

The win loss records speak for themselves. McNabb is 82-45-1 and 9-7 in the playoffs.

JC is 16-20. I don't care about Zorn this, Saunders that, how many coordinators this blah blah blah. If JC was a "franchise" QB he would overcome all of it. JC is an average to above average QB statistically (win % excluded). There is nothing wrong with that for some teams but that isn't going to work for this team.

Rabach killed JC with his comments about McNabb. He wasn't trying to but his words spoke volumes. The team is ready for a new voice behind center.