Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al"

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Schefter is not going to say things just to curry favors with Shanahan. It's ridiculous to not believe him because of his relationship with Shanahan.

Fact is Haynesworth was brought up as a possibility back in late January/early February when the Redskins and Eagles first talked about McNabb. But he is not being actively shopped around. Does that mean he won't be traded? No. Although, as I've said a couple of times, I don't think he's going anywhere.

They'll listen to any and all offers for anyone and if the right one comes around they'll consider it. But they're not going around saying "What can you give us for Haynesworth?"

I never meant to imply that Schefter would be lying. Shanahan lies to Schefter to further his agenda. Schefter reports it. I don't see how this is such a hard concept for some to understand. Cerrato and Zorn played things pretty straight and never really did anything to surprise anyone. Things have changed now that we have more experienced guys in their places. We can't take anything they say at face value. This is common in the NFL. Friday or Saturday, the Eagles let it be known that hey would not even consider trading McNabb within the division. On Sunday, he was a Redskin. I'd be shocked if Haynesworth is still on the team in May.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I never meant to imply that Schefter would be lying. Shanahan lies to Schefter to further his agenda. Schefter reports it. I don't see how this is such a hard concept for some to understand. Cerrato and Zorn played things pretty straight and never really did anything to surprise anyone. Things have changed now that we have more experienced guys in their places. We can't take anything they say at face value. This is common in the NFL. Friday or Saturday, the Eagles let it be known that hey would not even consider trading McNabb within the division. On Sunday, he was a Redskin. I'd be shocked if Haynesworth is still on the team in May.

There is a quid pro quo relationship between media insiders and coaches/executives in positions like Shanahan. Shanahan won't screw Schefter with bad information. You're just wrong.

[SFREDSKIN]

I don't know about this, but it seems the relationship between Haynesworth and FO is deteriorating fast according to Jason Reid:


Haynesworth to skip Redskins voluntary workouts, attend mandatory sessions

Veteran defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth plans to report to the Redskins' mandatory offseason workouts, but probably will not attend voluntary sessions, two people in the organization with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

Haynesworth informed the sources, who requested anonymity because of Haynesworth's poor relationship with the new front office and coaching staff, that he would return to Redskins Park for mandatory workouts under the terms of the league's collective bargaining agreement. Haynesworth, whom the Redskins have attempted to trade, also has privately told friends he does not want to become a distraction because of his impasse with coaches about their plans to use him as a nose tackle in the Redskins' new 3-4 defensive scheme.

But Haynesworth also does not intend to spend more time at the team's training complex than he must, people with knowledge of the situation said.


The Redskins would prefer to trade Haynesworth before the three-day NFL draft that begins April 22, and ideally hope to have him off the roster before their first voluntary three-day minicamp begins April 16.

Of course, the possibility exists that Haynesworth will remain with Washington and be required to play a position that he has said he has no desire to play.

Although it is highly doubtful Haynesworth would attend the non-mandatory event this month, having the two-time all-pro still in the organization during the minicamp could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins. Coach Mike Shanahan and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett undoubtedly would face questions about the absence of Haynesworth, who also has raised Shanahan's ire with his decision to train on his own instead of participate in Washington's voluntary offseason conditioning program at Redskins Park.

The Redskins' second voluntary minicamp is scheduled for May 7-9. Haynesworth also could skip that one without facing potential disciplinary action. The team's third three-day minicamp in June is mandatory. Haynesworth would have to report to that one.

The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- Haynesworth's former team -- are considered his most likely destinations if he is traded, according to two people with knowledge of the Redskins' efforts to end their relationship with Haynesworth. But the Redskins have already paid Haynesworth $32 million in the first 14 months of a contract he signed in February 2009, including a $21 million bonus on April 1 that was believed to be the largest single check written to one player in NFL history.

It is believed the Redskins hope to have Haynesworth pay back some of the recent bonus he received in an attempt to persuade them to complete a trade, which Haynesworth apparently would not be opposed to as long as Shanahan remains committed to him being a nose tackle. Haynesworth's base salaries of $3.6 million this season and $5.4 million in 2011 also are guaranteed as part of the record $100 million deal -- which included a then-record $41 million in guaranteed money - he signed with the team as a free agent last year.

Haynesworth has a non-guaranteed base salary of $6.7 million in 2012, so the average of the contract in the next three years is a little more than $5.23 million. That figure is relatively low for someone who was the league's premier defensive player during the 2007-08 seasons.

While clashing last season with former Redskins defensive coordinator Greg Blache, Haynesworth confided in friends he missed working in Tennessee's aggressive scheme under defensive line coach Jim Washburn, with whom he has a good relationship. With the Titans, Haynesworth had great freedom to rush the quarterback, which helped him record 14.5 sacks combined during the 2007-08 seasons -- an eye-opening total for an interior lineman who often faced double-teams. Haynesworth also enjoyed playing under Detroit Coach Jim Schwartz, who formerly was the Titans' defensive coordinator.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I don't know about this, but it seems the relationship between Haynesworth and FO is deteriorating fast according to Jason Reid:


Haynesworth to skip Redskins voluntary workouts, attend mandatory sessions

Veteran defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth plans to report to the Redskins' mandatory offseason workouts, but probably will not attend voluntary sessions, two people in the organization with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

Haynesworth informed the sources, who requested anonymity because of Haynesworth's poor relationship with the new front office and coaching staff, that he would return to Redskins Park for mandatory workouts under the terms of the league's collective bargaining agreement. Haynesworth, whom the Redskins have attempted to trade, also has privately told friends he does not want to become a distraction because of his impasse with coaches about their plans to use him as a nose tackle in the Redskins' new 3-4 defensive scheme.

This is not news or necessarily a problem. We've known for a while that he's using a personal trainer that helped get him to the Pro Bowl with TEN.

The fact he's even concerned about not causing distractions shows he DOES care about the team.


I see no issues here.

Redskins Insider - Haynesworth's workout regime

Haynesworth, however, has not commented publicly on his situation since the end of last season. Before the workouts began, I wrote Haynesworth planned to be present on the first day, and he showed up to listen to Coach Mike Shanahan address the entire team for the first time.


Haynesworth also participated in other first-day activities. But Haynesworth, who is determined to have a big year in 2010, comitted to an individual workout regime with a trainer before the Redskins' plans were set, according to the people with knowledge of the situation.

Haynesworth is following an intense offseason workout program under the guidance of the same trainer who helped him reach all-pro status during the 2007-08 seasons.


Haynesworth showed respect to Shanahan by attending on the first day for something that is voluntary under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement.

Despite Shanahan's tough talk about players needing to show their commitment to the program if they want to be on the team, the reality is that didn't apply to Haynesworth. The Redskins will cut him a check for a guaranteed $21 million option bonus in April, and Haynesworth's 2010 and 2011 base salaries are guaranteed, too.


With the money Haynesworth is guaranteed, there's no way the Redskins would cut him for not reporting. Moreover, regardless if some in the main building believe Haynesworth has a bad attitude (and trust us, some do), the coaching staff knows they need the guy because he's one of few elite players on the roster.


Haynesworth met Shanahan halfway in appearing on the first day of the program. Perhaps Shanahan made a positive gesture in accepting Haynesworth won't be around all the time. That certainly not a perfect union -- but it's a start.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's not how it works. It's just not

- The Eagles told their sources when they reported they wouldnt ship McNabb to an NFCEast team and then a day later they sent him to us.
- Parcells told his outlets he wouldnt trade Jason Taylor and then did so.
- Cerrato told his outlets he was having no conversations with Taylor or his agent... while he was actually neck deep in negotiations to trade for Taylor.
- Just a few months ago, Schefter reported that Shanahan was not close to a deal with the skins and then a day later Shanahan become our head coach.

Those are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head. Coaches and GMs lie to the media every single day. When it comes to Shanahan, Schefter is the absolute last person in the world we should beleive at face value. Reid, JLC, and Clayton, and others all indicate they have sources saying Haynesworth is on the market. Schefter is the only source saying he's not, and his report is ambigous and includes unnecessary comments meant to make Haynesworth not want to be here. If you beleive Schefter, then you probably beleived that there were WMDs in Iraq... even when every "neutral" source said that there wasn't.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

- The Eagles told their sources when they reported they wouldnt ship McNabb to an NFCEast team and then a day later they sent him to us.
- Parcells told his outlets he wouldnt trade Jason Taylor and then did so.
- Cerrato told his outlets he was having no conversations with Taylor or his agent... while he was actually neck deep in negotiations to trade for Taylor.
- Just a few months ago, Schefter reported that Shanahan was not close to a deal with the skins and then a day later Shanahan become our head coach.

Those are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head. Coaches and GMs lie to the media every single day. When it comes to Shanahan, Schefter is the absolute last person in the world we should beleive at face value. Reid, JLC, and Clayton, and others all indicate they have sources saying Haynesworth is on the market. Schefter is the only source saying he's not, and his report is ambigous and includes unnecessary comments meant to make Haynesworth not want to be here. If you beleive Schefter, then you probably beleived that there were WMDs in Iraq... even when every "neutral" source said that there wasn't.

I agree with you all the way up to the WMD. LOL. Although Iraq didn't have nuclear bombs as most of us would count as WMD they did have dirty bombs meaning poisons. We also found that they had missles that could reach all the way to Isreal which was something else they were not supposed to have according to the UN.

It kills me everytime I hear people say there were no WMD when in reality they had the means and equipement. Sadam was known for using poisons agains his own people. That too is a WMD considering it kills a lot of people with one explosion. So lets all finally agree that in reality they did have WMD and stop the whole idea that Sadam was innocent and was a victim and we simply wanted to go after him for pappa Bush. I do believe Lil Bush exagerated some info but in reality there were WMD which were in violation with the UN, not to mention Sadam was no playing the game the UN wanted him to play. The whole time he snubbed him nose, kicked out UN inspectors which was a violation, and in reality was a tyrant. Had he played by the rules we would not be there now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I never meant to imply that Schefter would be lying. Shanahan lies to Schefter to further his agenda. Schefter reports it. I don't see how this is such a hard concept for some to understand. Cerrato and Zorn played things pretty straight and never really did anything to surprise anyone. Things have changed now that we have more experienced guys in their places. We can't take anything they say at face value. This is common in the NFL. Friday or Saturday, the Eagles let it be known that hey would not even consider trading McNabb within the division. On Sunday, he was a Redskin. I'd be shocked if Haynesworth is still on the team in May.

That's not how it works. It's just not

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's not how it works. It's just not

I'm just guessing here, but I would think if Schefter thought he was being fed inaccurate or deceitful info he wouldn't report it, and he would at least double and triple check the info before filing it.

I would like to believe the guy has some integrity, and his allegiance lies with ESPN first and foremost over personal relationships when it comes to reporting info.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm just guessing here, but I would think if Schefter thought he was being fed inaccurate or deceitful info he wouldn't report it, and he would at least double and triple check the info before filing it.

I would like to believe the guy has some integrity, and his allegiance lies with ESPN first and foremost over personal relationships when it comes to reporting info.

Schefter and Shanny have a "special relationship" and most people know it. Right now we have a case where multiple reporters are citing sources saying Haynesworth is on the block. Schefter is citing a source that says we are not. Obviously, someone, somewhere is not being 100% truthful.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Schefter and Shanny have a "special relationship" and most people know it. Right now we have a case where multiple reporters are citing sources saying Haynesworth is on the block. Schefter is citing a source that says we are not. Obviously, someone, somewhere is not being 100% truthful.

Interesting that you left the word "shopping" out of Schefter's part. Are we shopping AH since 1 April, no. Is he "on the block" yes, is he actively shopped no. So both reports are fairly accurate and yet the connotation is completely different.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Interesting that you left the word "shopping" out of Schefter's part. Are we shopping AH since 1 April, no. Is he "on the block" yes, is he actively shopped no. So both reports are fairly accurate and yet the connotation is completely different.

I clarified in my next post, but its all just a matter of semantics. Whatever anyone wants to call it -we want to get rid of Haynesworth and are actively trying to make it happen.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Schefter and Shanny have a "special relationship" and most people know it. Right now we have a case where multiple reporters are citing sources saying Haynesworth is on the block. Schefter is citing a source that says we are not. Obviously, someone, somewhere is not being 100% truthful.

If the Skins wanted other teams to know they were interested in any trade offers but didn't want to come out publically and ruin any relationship with AH they would pass on info to select people so word gets out and yet they can deny it. This way the team looks good to AH yet other teams will think about it and possibly call with offers. Not that hard to digest.

Did Schefter say that he was told in no uncertain terms would AH be traded? Then somewhere someone is not telling the whole truth. I still think Shanahan must have said something to Schefter on word play that later they can deny by saying "we never said we wouldn't trade him we simply said we were not actively shopping him." My first paragraph scenario is what usually happens when a team is looking for trade value.

I see Three sources with info that AH is available for a trade if someone wants to make an offer and I see a team that put out feelers behind the scene's with the availability to later deny the whole mess if AH is still a Skin.

[SFREDSKIN]

What about if Al decides to give back some of the $21 million back as part of a trade to a team that plays a 4-3 defense? If he's that disgruntled as reported, then he just might do it to get out of the situation.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

What about if Al decides to give back some of the $21 million back as part of a trade to a team that plays a 4-3 defense? If he's that disgruntled as reported, then he just might do it to get out of the situation.

For 26 million returned, he can become a free agent again. I don't see it happening. He isn't getting another mega deal like this.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I never meant to imply that Schefter would be lying. Shanahan lies to Schefter to further his agenda. Schefter reports it. I don't see how this is such a hard concept for some to understand. Cerrato and Zorn played things pretty straight and never really did anything to surprise anyone. Things have changed now that we have more experienced guys in their places. We can't take anything they say at face value. This is common in the NFL. Friday or Saturday, the Eagles let it be known that hey would not even consider trading McNabb within the division. On Sunday, he was a Redskin. I'd be shocked if Haynesworth is still on the team in May.

I agree with that.