Can we please take a time out and show Jason Campbell some respect here?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's only natural for people to have hope and optimism early on. Good for you if you "figured it out" quicker than others. If this told you so moment makes you feel better go for it, I'm sure you've never been wrong on things before.

Who knows really, under different conditions things might have worked out better for JC. In the end though he's a solid QB, not a bum as some want to make him out to be. Will he ever be a franchise guy? Probably not. But can he be a solid starter under more stable conditions than what has been the Washington Redskins during the Snyder/Cerrato era? I think so.

I've never been one overly eager to serve up dishes of crow when I'm right about something. Like I said, the temptation was there, sure. But I'll refrain.

The main point though, is to respond to people who say Jason is due all this respect. Look, I don't wish him any ill will, but I'm perplexed by those who say we owe him some sort of going away party after all that he's done for us. What has he done?

Oh, and just for the record, yes ... sometimes, The Beemnseven is wrong.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I've never been one overly eager to serve up dishes of crow when I'm right about something. Like I said, the temptation was there, sure. But I'll refrain.

The main point though, is to respond to people who say Jason is due all this respect. Look, I don't wish him any ill will, but I'm perplexed by those who say we owe him some sort of going away party after all that he's done for us. What has he done?

Oh, and just for the record, yes ... sometimes, The Beemnseven is wrong.

I don't think the call for respect means we owe Jason some debt of gratitude. What I do think some people (myself included) are tired of is comments that lower the fanbase to looking more like Eagles fans than Redskins fans.

I've defended Campbell on this board, both statistically and subjectively. Not because I think he's a franchise QB or the QB of the future, but because I believe that he's a decent QB who works hard, is durable, reasonably accurate, young, and has good character. If you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer, I'm pretty damn sure you could make the playoffs with Jason Campbell. But that's neither here nor there, because that's not the way we've approached team building in the past, and the signing of McNabb is a clear indicator that Win Now is still the team's mantra.

Anyway, regardless of where you place the blame for the team's performance over the past few years, IMO the vitriol that is aimed at JC17 is really uncalled for. Statistically the guy has improved year after year, he has always worked his ass off, has taken more physical punishment than any Skins QB not named Ramsey, and has generally just fallen short of our lofty expectations.

That shouldn't earn him a ticker tape parade, but it shouldn't earn him scorn and derision, either. When you think about the carousel of failures, idiots, and prima donnas we've had on this team in the last few years: Lloyd, Archuleta, Jason Taylor, Portis, Rogers, and don't even get me started on Haynesworth.. you've got "me first" players everywhere you look.

Jason wasn't what we all hoped he would be, but I think the annual Snyder spending sprees have dulled some of you to just how rare it is to have a guy who is team first through and through who gives it everything he has and (pardon the expression, Saint Joe) "fights his guts out".

Personally, I appreciate that, even if it didn't lead to the results I wanted. It's the same reason I love Gary Williams and would be revolted if a guy like Calipari were ever to be hired to coach the Terps, but then again there are a lot of people screaming "Fire Gary" because he isn't landing the one-and-done walking recruiting violation blue chippers. YMMV I guess.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by dgack

I don't think the call for respect means we owe Jason some debt of gratitude. What I do think some people (myself included) are tired of is comments that lower the fanbase to looking more like Eagles fans than Redskins fans.

I've defended Campbell on this board, both statistically and subjectively. Not because I think he's a franchise QB or the QB of the future, but because I believe that he's a decent QB who works hard, is durable, reasonably accurate, young, and has good character. If you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer, I'm pretty damn sure you could make the playoffs with Jason Campbell. But that's neither here nor there, because that's not the way we've approached team building in the past, and the signing of McNabb is a clear indicator that Win Now is still the team's mantra.

Anyway, regardless of where you place the blame for the team's performance over the past few years, IMO the vitriol that is aimed at JC17 is really uncalled for. Statistically the guy has improved year after year, he has always worked his ass off, has taken more physical punishment than any Skins QB not named Ramsey, and has generally just fallen short of our lofty expectations.

That shouldn't earn him a ticker tape parade, but it shouldn't earn him scorn and derision, either. When you think about the carousel of failures, idiots, and prima donnas we've had on this team in the last few years: Lloyd, Archuleta, Jason Taylor, Portis, Rogers, and don't even get me started on Haynesworth.. you've got "me first" players everywhere you look.

Jason wasn't what we all hoped he would be, but I think the annual Snyder spending sprees have dulled some of you to just how rare it is to have a guy who is team first through and through who gives it everything he has and (pardon the expression, Saint Joe) "fights his guts out".

Personally, I appreciate that, even if it didn't lead to the results I wanted. It's the same reason I love Gary Williams and would be revolted if a guy like Calipari were ever to be hired to coach the Terps, but then again there are a lot of people screaming "Fire Gary" because he isn't landing the one-and-done walking recruiting violation blue chippers. YMMV I guess.

Extremely well stated. My thoughts exactly.

I can't help but wonder, if Campbell was more of a "me first" type guy and was more vocally critical of the complete lack of protection he was receiving whether this sadistically fickle fan base would have been more supportive of him. Seems like nice guys generally get thrown under the bus and just because he wasn't all up in people's faces bitching and moaning he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Clearly the "team"...yeah, this is a team sport, didn't meet expectations under Campbell. Has a quarterback ever met expectations of this fan base other than Theismann, Williams, or Rypien...all for one season only?

Can't help but believe McNabb will be the the victim of the Washington faithful's wrath after a few of his signature dump offs to the dirt, or anti-aircraft fire over throws. They will happen...the question is how will we respond?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dgack

I don't think the call for respect means we owe Jason some debt of gratitude. What I do think some people (myself included) are tired of is comments that lower the fanbase to looking more like Eagles fans than Redskins fans.

I've defended Campbell on this board, both statistically and subjectively. Not because I think he's a franchise QB or the QB of the future, but because I believe that he's a decent QB who works hard, is durable, reasonably accurate, young, and has good character. If you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer, I'm pretty damn sure you could make the playoffs with Jason Campbell. But that's neither here nor there, because that's not the way we've approached team building in the past, and the signing of McNabb is a clear indicator that Win Now is still the team's mantra.

Anyway, regardless of where you place the blame for the team's performance over the past few years, IMO the vitriol that is aimed at JC17 is really uncalled for. Statistically the guy has improved year after year, he has always worked his ass off, has taken more physical punishment than any Skins QB not named Ramsey, and has generally just fallen short of our lofty expectations.

That shouldn't earn him a ticker tape parade, but it shouldn't earn him scorn and derision, either. When you think about the carousel of failures, idiots, and prima donnas we've had on this team in the last few years: Lloyd, Archuleta, Jason Taylor, Portis, Rogers, and don't even get me started on Haynesworth.. you've got "me first" players everywhere you look.

Jason wasn't what we all hoped he would be, but I think the annual Snyder spending sprees have dulled some of you to just how rare it is to have a guy who is team first through and through who gives it everything he has and (pardon the expression, Saint Joe) "fights his guts out".

Personally, I appreciate that, even if it didn't lead to the results I wanted. It's the same reason I love Gary Williams and would be revolted if a guy like Calipari were ever to be hired to coach the Terps, but then again there are a lot of people screaming "Fire Gary" because he isn't landing the one-and-done walking recruiting violation blue chippers. YMMV I guess.

Where is all of the scorn, vitriol, and derision? Sure you might here some people who aren't sorry to see him go, who might give the old "don't let the door hit ya" line. But I honestly don't see any seething hatred here.

Instead, you have a group of people who feel he is due our utmost respect, as if there should be a national Day of Mourning that he likely won't be our QB anymore, that trading for McNabb and not telling him beforehand, or notifying him instantaneously after the deal was complete was an act of pure, unadulterated evil.

No, he's not complete garbage as a QB. He's just one of those middle of the road guys who needed everything around him to be perfect in order to succeed.

I just don't know how much gratitude we owe someone who ultimately couldn't get the job done.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Where is all of the scorn, vitriol, and derision? Sure you might here some people who aren't sorry to see him go, who might give the old "don't let the door hit ya" line. But I honestly don't see any seething hatred here.

You aren't looking hard enough I'm not just talking about this thread, FWIW, or even just the threads recently since McNabb was acquired.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Instead, you have a group of people who feel he is due our utmost respect, as if there should be a national Day of Mourning that he likely won't be our QB anymore

And just as you say you don't see all the hatred, I don't see anyone dramatically falling to the floor, crying "WHY?!!!" in slow motion.

I think the guys taking a pro-JC position here are really only taking a position of not being fickle, whiny fans.

And in case my post wasn't clear BTW, I don't see any problem with this statement at all:

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I just don't know how much gratitude we owe someone who ultimately couldn't get the job done.

Though I will say that "showing some respect" is not the same thing as owing someone gratitude.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dgack

You aren't looking hard enough I'm not just talking about this thread, FWIW, or even just the threads recently since McNabb was acquired.

Show me some quotes with scorn, vitriol, and derision. I'm telling you I haven't gotten that sense at all around here.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Show me some quotes with scorn, vitriol, and derision. I'm telling you I haven't gotten that sense at all around here.

Ok, we can agree to disagree. I don't really have the time to scour threads to support my argument so if you wish you may take that as a concession and "win". /shrug

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I've never been one overly eager to serve up dishes of crow when I'm right about something. Like I said, the temptation was there, sure. But I'll refrain.

The main point though, is to respond to people who say Jason is due all this respect. Look, I don't wish him any ill will, but I'm perplexed by those who say we owe him some sort of going away party after all that he's done for us. What has he done?

Oh, and just for the record, yes ... sometimes, The Beemnseven is wrong.

Andre Carter would probably agree... for the record



Oh and I agree about the respect thing. The guy did little here as far as winning, he had his shot, fair or not. I think we've come to the point where it's best to just move on.