Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

SS, I was just about to text you to ask about the details. My buddy called me at work and said he saw it on ESPN.

So, we're trading our 5th rd pick for Carriker. We're down to 3 total picks for this years draft.

They must have some kind plan in place to get more picks, right?

why do we need more picks? we traded our 2nd and got a franchise QB. we traded a 5th for a former 1st rounder who Haslett feels will be an ideal DE in our new 3-4. The only picks this new coaching staff have traded have yielded Day 1 starters. Its rare that 2nd and 5th rounders amount to that.

Its not like years past when we traded 3rd and 4th round picks for TJ Ducket and Brandon Lloyd. Its not like 2008 when we traded a 2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor. We're not just pissing away our picks. Would I like to acquire more picks - hell yes. But if we dont, i'm satisfied that we traded our picks for players who will fit our system and who project to be starters in 2010, 2011, and 2012, at the least.

The only think i'm upset about is using a 3rd rounder on Jarmon. If we had kept the 4-3, it would have been a great move. however, in retrospect, its a completely wasted pick. Jarmon really doesnt fit anywhere in a 3-4 scheme... I can't beleive we're moving him to OLB.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

why do we need more picks? we traded our 2nd and got a franchise QB. we traded a 5th for a former 1st rounder who Haslett feels will be an ideal DE in our new 3-4. The only picks this new coaching staff have traded have yielded Day 1 starters. Its rare that 2nd and 5th rounders amount to that.

Its not like years past when we traded 3rd and 4th round picks for TJ Ducket and Brandon Lloyd. Its not like 2008 when we traded a 2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor. We're not just pissing away our picks. Would I like to acquire more picks - hell yes. But if we dont, i'm satisfied that we traded our picks for players who will fit our system and who project to be starters in 2010, 2011, and 2012, at the least.

I see where your coming from, but I feel like this attitude of we are not pissing away our draft picks is what we all said when we acquired those players. Tj Ducket was a beast in the goal line and would be that big back we need. with JT, our defensive line just improved so much!

here is the thing: we need offensive lineman bad. We need 3 or 4 of them. We need to get younger.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

why do we need more picks? we traded our 2nd and got a franchise QB. we traded a 5th for a former 1st rounder who Haslett feels will be an ideal DE in our new 3-4. The only picks this new coaching staff have traded have yielded Day 1 starters. Its rare that 2nd and 5th rounders amount to that.

Its not like years past when we traded 3rd and 4th round picks for TJ Ducket and Brandon Lloyd. Its not like 2008 when we traded a 2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor. We're not just pissing away our picks. Would I like to acquire more picks - hell yes. But if we dont, i'm satisfied that we traded our picks for players who will fit our system and who project to be starters in 2010, 2011, and 2012, at the least.

The only think i'm upset about is using a 3rd rounder on Jarmon. If we had kept the 4-3, it would have been a great move. however, in retrospect, its a completely wasted pick. Jarmon really doesnt fit anywhere in a 3-4 scheme... I can't beleive we're moving him to OLB.

I hope you are right. It's definitely the best perspective.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

why do we need more picks? we traded our 2nd and got a franchise QB. we traded a 5th for a former 1st rounder who Haslett feels will be an ideal DE in our new 3-4. The only picks this new coaching staff have traded have yielded Day 1 starters. Its rare that 2nd and 5th rounders amount to that.

Its not like years past when we traded 3rd and 4th round picks for TJ Ducket and Brandon Lloyd. Its not like 2008 when we traded a 2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor. We're not just pissing away our picks. Would I like to acquire more picks - hell yes. But if we dont, i'm satisfied that we traded our picks for players who will fit our system and who project to be starters in 2010, 2011, and 2012, at the least.

The only think i'm upset about is using a 3rd rounder on Jarmon. If we had kept the 4-3, it would have been a great move. however, in retrospect, its a completely wasted pick. Jarmon really doesnt fit anywhere in a 3-4 scheme... I can't beleive we're moving him to OLB.

And you base this on what, exactly?

[franklinhimself]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

And you base this on what, exactly?

If I'm correct, he was regarded more as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, but he has the size and speed and now Lou Spanos as a position coach.
Jeremy Jarmon: 6-3, 277 lbs, 4.71
DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 262lbs, 4.6

It's also only been one season. I think Jarmon was a good pick-up last year. Plus, if he was in the draft this year I think he would easily go in the 2nd rd.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

If I'm correct, he was regarded more as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, but he has the size and speed and now Lou Spanos as a position coach.
Jeremy Jarmon: 6-3, 277 lbs, 4.71
DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 262lbs, 4.6

It's also only been one season. I think Jarmon was a good pick-up last year. Plus, if he was in the draft this year I think he would easily go in the 2nd rd.

I'll see if I can get a hold of Kiper Jr. to see what he thinks about Jarmon's value in this year's draft.

I've been playing these converted DEs as LBs and they don't have the agility to cover anybody on Madden. We'll look like we're defending the endzone on every play with 7 DLs! Ha!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by diehard

I'll see if I can get a hold of Kiper Jr. to see what he thinks about Jarmon's value in this year's draft.

That would be something I'd be VERY interested to hear. Now that I think about it Scouts Inc most likely gave Jarmon a grade last year so that should give us an idea of his overall value as a prospect.

[Dirtbag59]

Bastard McShay didn't give him a final overall grade:

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

If I'm correct, he was regarded more as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, but he has the size and speed and now Lou Spanos as a position coach.
Jeremy Jarmon: 6-3, 277 lbs, 4.71
DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 262lbs, 4.6

It's also only been one season. I think Jarmon was a good pick-up last year. Plus, if he was in the draft this year I think he would easily go in the 2nd rd.

Although Jarmon is a fine player and you likely are right about his going in the 2nd round, if Jarmon doesn't fit a 3-4 in the long term then he was an unintentionally wasted pick. I'm not saying he won't, I'm just saying "if." They say he's lost weight from the 277 lbs. you mentioned. Maybe he'll gain speed from the weight loss.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Although Jarmon is a fine player and you likely are right about his going in the 2nd round, if Jarmon doesn't fit a 3-4 in the long term then he was an unintentionally wasted pick. I'm not saying he won't, I'm just saying "if." They say he's lost weight from the 277 lbs. you mentioned. Maybe he'll gain speed from the weight loss.

Gain speed? After a torn ACL? Unlikely.