Training Camp Questions & Answers (SS33 Recap on Post #46)

[Mechanix544]

Heyer is still complete crap IMHO. All I can see when I envision him is him getting smoked and beat the hell up last year. It really was pitiful.

[tryfuhl]

Williams is out.. don't think Cook or Heyer are guaranteed

[Dirtbag59]

Still I expect Capers to at lest beat out Heyer by the end of camp for that second string RT spot. Of course Cook and Capers are great candidates to end up on our practice squad.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Still I expect Capers to at lest beat out Heyer by the end of camp for that second string RT spot. Of course Cook and Capers are great candidates to end up on our practice squad.

I'd be betting on this.

[Monkeydad]

Here's a question...who the heck is #2? Looked like he was working out with WRs and I've seen him a few times on videos.

Not listed on rosters I look at.

I've noticed other teams have some single-digit WRs also.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'd be betting on this.

Just hope that no one signs them if we do that. Capers was a steal in the 7th round. Cook is a little more under the radar and should be safe. So in that case I would see the following

LT - Williams - Robinson
LG - Dockery - Williams
C - Rabach - Kory L
RG - Hicks - Rinehart
RT - Brown

PS - Capers and Cook.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Buster

Here's a question...who the heck is #2? Looked like he was working out with WRs and I've seen him a few times on videos.

Not listed on rosters I look at.

I've noticed other teams have some single-digit WRs also.

The only #2 I saw was DeAngelo Hall.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The only #2 I saw was DeAngelo Hall.

Yeah that's him. He's been wearing his high school number during training camp

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah that's him. He's been wearing his high school number during training camp

SS....It's been reported lately that Goodell's office intends to speak with Santana about his association with the HGH doctor. Any word on how/where exactly that investigation is headed?

[Kindoy]

which two safeties are looking the best?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

SS....It's been reported lately that Goodell's office intends to speak with Santana about his association with the HGH doctor. Any word on how/where exactly that investigation is headed?

they've already met, Goodell didn't see need to meet again today during visit, still "gathering info" .. waiting to see if Smooth has heard more as well.. or about other clients

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

they've already met, Goodell didn't see need to meet again today during visit, still "gathering info" .. waiting to see if Smooth has heard more as well.. or about other clients

Thanks for the info try....Keeping a close eye on that situation because with our W/R situation being what it is, we can ill-afford to loose Moss for any period of time.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

**** Final Update *****

Just got back from camp a little bit ago. The majority of the practice was on the far field so getting a good view of the team drills was difficult.

Here's what I've got to answer questions and then a few observations & thoughts:

Starting OL: LT - T. Williams, LG - Dock, C - Rabach, RG - Hicks, RT - J. Brown
2nd Unit: LT - W. Robinson, LG - E. Williams, C - Lichtensteiger, RG - Rinehart, RT - Heyer

Starting WRs: Moss & Galloway
RBs rotation is: CP, LJ, WP, then others

For the OL, I was able to get a good view of the OL/DL 1-on-1 pass rush period. I gave a +1 if the OL controlled the DL or pushed them past the pocket. I gave an = if the DL got a slight push, but the OL maintained position between the DL and QB. I gave a -1 if the OL was beaten and a -2 if they completely whiffed. Here's how each OL performed:
69 - J. Brown: +3 / -1
75 - Hicks: +2 / -2
61 - Rabach: +1 / -3 (1 whiff)
66 - Dock: +1
72 - T. Williams: +4
77 - Rinehart: +2 / 2=
78 - Lichtensteiger: +2 / 2= / -2 (1 whiff)
73 - W. Robinson: +2 / 1= / -1
68 - Oldenburg: +2 / 1= / -1
60 - Capers: 1= / -2
50 - E. Williams: +2 / 2= / -3
63 - Montgomery: +2 / 2= / -2

The DL who stood out in the period were: Darrion Scott with 4 "wins", Rob Jackson with 3, and Vonnie Holliday with 2. Several others had 1 win.

On the OL, I think we'll be good at T (barring injury) with TW, Brown, Heyer, Hicks. Our interior line will struggle in pass pro, but should be solid in the run game. I wouldn't be surprised if Lichtensteiger takes over at C before the year is over. I also wouldn't be surprised if Rinehart doesn't move into a starting role at RG. I think E. Williams versatility keeps him on the roster. I see Capers on the practice squad.

Trent Williams appears to have good quick feet and a strong base. I was a bit concerned over his low bench numbers when compared to Okung, but he's having no issue adjusting to the speed of the NFL and didn't get man-handled by anyone.

McCardell is involved with the WRs. He's quiet but does talk with them. He stayed with the young WRs while they got work with the machine after practice. He had on the arm pads for bump work off the line.
The position coaches all are working with their groups but are not vocal to where you can hear anything from the sidelines. I'm sure they're much more vocal in meetings and closed practices.

Special Teams: No news is good news. No competiton at P & K. Bidwell and Gano both looked fine, nothing that would send up any red flags. Both kicked well. Gano nailed a 56 yarder and then missed a second one right. Leg strength doesn't appear to be any issue.
Austin, Brandon Banks, and Buchanon were fielding punts. At one point Moss was too.

Defensive Starters today: LDE - Daniels, NT - Kemo, RDE - Holliday
LOLB - Alexander, LILB - Rocky, RILB - Fletch, ROLB - Orakpo
LCB - Hall, S - Moore, S - Landry, RCB - Rogers
2nd Unit: LDE - Carriker, NT- not 100% but I think Bryant, RDE - Golston,
LOLB - Carter, LILB - Blades, RILB - Riley, ROLB - unsure
LCB - K. Barnes, S - Doughty, S- Horton, RCB - Buchanon

The defense is bringing pressure and moving folks around. Opposing QBs won't pre-read us as easily as last year for sure.

I asked Malcom Kelly what he felt the difference from this year to last year was and he said the offense is more complicated, but that it was a good thing because we won't be as predictable as last year. He said he expects his hamstring to be healed in "a week".

I asked Phillip Daniels how he felt in the 3-4. He said, "Good", and then laughed and said you mean the 3-7. That sounds great to me!! He also mentioned he feels like he's 28. He's in great shape and moving well.

Grossman knows the offense and is accurate in QB drill and pass skeleton. McNabb looks a little too relaxed in QB drills, his passes aren't always as crisp or on target as they should be. However after every poor/mediocre throw he comes back with a good throw. In pass skeleton he looked fine. Unfortunately I couldn't get a good view of the team drills to evaluate what was going on. My son and I met McNabb at the hotel in the elevator on the way down to head out for camp. We spoke briefly, he was pleasant and seems to be a good guy, although he looked a bit tired. At the end of practice, he looked tired as well, but went over to sign autographs for a few minutes.

I wouldn't read too much into any of the QB performance right now. New personel, new offense, an aggressive D. McNabb is our starter, Grossman's the #2, Bartel/Beck will compete for the #3 and the other will wind up on the practice squad.

Other observations from Camp:
- In team there was a nice reverse with Parker that picked up about 9 yds.
- Grossman has a nice completion to Davis in a mid-deep zone.
- Landry made a great read and break up on a screen.
- Haynesworth has lost a great deal of weight. He was moving fine in drills. I'm sure the whole "conditioning test" thing and knee will be over by next week and he'll be practicing.
- In general, less flab all around compared to last year, especially on the OL/DL, Portis also.
- Weird, but very nice to see, Samuels in coaching gear.
- Defintely a more business-like approach than last year.
- KS is in control of the O, more complex route combos, progressions should be fast and obvious.
- Cooley and Orakpo were working together during a special team period. IMO, Orakpo is still going to be a liability in man coverage. Cooley also will not be blocking any D. Ware/Orakpo level folks one-on-one (LOL).
- TW and Dock got abused on a B-gap blitz in team. Not sure if it was them or the back failed to pick up. From far away it appeared to be a TW mis-read, but not sure.

Final thoughts:
- We will have an identity this year. Our D will be aggressive and hard to read. Our O will be a Zone Blocking base with lots of play actions (many PA waggles). Lots of bunch and crossing pass concepts. Our deep shots will come off play action a majority of the time.
- I think we will struggle offensively early, but fortunately the teams with good defenses we face early we have at home (Dallas, GB, Indy). The key will be to establish the run game, if we can we're in good shape. If not, then we'll struggle.
- Defensively we'll be more aggressive, but I think we'll give up some plays in the secondary. Overall our D will make more turnovers and negative plays, but I think we'll wind up in the 10-14 range in YPG and Pts at year end. The D should keep us in most games, but don't expect a dominant D (Jets, Steelers, Vikings).
- McNabb's ability to move around combined with a good ground game should have our O on track by mid-season. I don't see us blowing people out, but more of a methodical control the clock, be efficient, approach. McNabb's not a pure passer and our wide-outs are average (unless DT and Kelly make big strides). Our TEs will both be heavily involved.

Amazing detail...the best I've seen anywhere online...only thing that is close is on redskins.com....and this is arguably better...great work and thanks for the insight!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

which two safeties are looking the best?

Safety Pin and Safety Latch.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by lotus

safety pin and safety latch.

lol.