Good for Campbell

Monkeydad · 08-13-2010, 12:15 PM

It only gets noticed by people who have an unnatural, personal hatred for him.

SirClintonPortis · 08-13-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

He's the same guy. Even though I hated him here because of my own reasons I thought that he had changed his game. But I really hope that he fails, he continues to bitch about what happened when he was here. People took up for him saying that he never talked bad about anyone but would lay his O-Line out in the media all the time. Only in a nice way so you felt sorry for him but after watching him you can see that he misses guys deep pretty much every single time. He'll look good for Oakland but until he does the little things to take that next step he'll always be alright and nothing more. Once he can complete deep balls on a regular basis then defenses will have to respect his deep ball which would allow him to kill folks underneath. Until then, he'll always sit there and say that he's working hard, and trying to get comfortable in the offense.

He's what I've been saying that he is, you all will eventually come around but look forward to him having a radio show on some station in this area. Where guys will call and tell him how great he was and how good he could've been and how they feel like he got a raw deal and all that ish.

Oh have I said I'm glad he's gone ? I am!

Evidence please, and not quotes ripped out of context or that a likely chance of actually having some truth to it. I doubt many people would go 'aww shucks no big deal" when they find out they're going to be replaced, even if they deserve it.
Campbell's certainly not a good qb, but no need to make him the devil incarnate.

SolidSnake84 · 08-13-2010, 12:37 PM

I've never heard Campbell "bash" the organization per say, but he has been quoted at times as saying they were unprofessional, and made him feel like a used tissue the way they flirted with the other QB's. That's an exact quote there, somebody can look it up.

He also said on more than one occasion that Vinny Cerrato and some of the other office people didn't talk to him at all when they passed him in the hallway during the team's pursuit of Jay Cutler.

But no, i dont recall him ever bashing anybody but Portis, who he criticized for his poor work ethic, and refusal to practice, after Portis bashed Jason earlier this year.

MonkFan4Life · 08-13-2010, 01:26 PM

Campbell has handled the situation in Washington with a lot of grace, but he bristles when he hears critics talk about how he didn't throw the ball downfield enough in '09. In fact, I happened to catch him on the phone last month after he'd heard SI.com's Peter King criticizing him on a local radio station in Washington.

"I don't know how anyone can say something like that," said Campbell on Thursday. "Don't you think I wanted to throw the ball downfield? By the time I looked up, I was getting hit. I'm certainly hoping we have an opportunity to make some big plays next season."

He said more during his Monday interiews with Lavar and Dukes last season as well. If it's a case that you don't want to take that then cool, I'll give that to you. I know what I heard from him, as far as his subpar play. If you need anything for that I can lead you to the game highlights. But you never noticed it before so you probably wouldn't when I point them out. But I just finished looking at some game highlights from '08 and he's worse than I thought. He's a starter but he won't take you anywhere.

BaltimoreSkins · 08-13-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

"I don't know how anyone can say something like that," said Campbell on Thursday. "Don't you think I wanted to throw the ball downfield? By the time I looked up, I was getting hit. I'm certainly hoping we have an opportunity to make some big plays next season."

Not to sound ignorant, but it sounds like you're upset with Campbell for speaking the truth.

MonkFan4Life · 08-13-2010, 02:09 PM

No but how is it the truth if he says it but if Portis said it then he would be throwing them under the bus. So why would Jason be any different ? I could care less now, he's an Oakland fans' problem now. Someone questioned me on something that I said and I pulled that. However, I'm a well documented Jason Campbell hater so,...

SolidSnake84 · 08-13-2010, 02:21 PM

I think it was different with Portis last season because Portis talked so much trash, and then didnt do anything in the games to back it up, and he alienated himself from his teammates by not working out or practicing with them.

But thats in the past, and he seems to be a good solider this year. Plus also, his job is in jeopardy for the first time in his redskins career.

SirClintonPortis · 08-13-2010, 02:28 PM

I find the throwing under the bus shtick the sport version of political correctness and find it rather annoying. When players play poorly, the facts speak for themselves, and no amount of BS self-censorship due to some camaraderie is going to change the facts. So by extension, I really don't have a problem with either of them calling them out when the line is actually playing like crap.
Now, I think people were ticked off at CP because even if he was right, he was a hypocrite because he himself didn't put 100% effort into his work either.

Monkeydad · 08-13-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Not to sound ignorant, but it sounds like you're upset with Campbell for speaking the truth.

TO be fair - what JC (and Collins) had to work with:

NFL Videos: Steelers Defense Highlight, WK 09 vs. Redskins 2008

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D.C. Sports Bog - Campbell says everything "blacked out"

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 08-13-2010, 02:54 PM

Ok. I am not a hater of JC, but I am critical of his faults and I think Jason is about a middle of the road guy who needs a GREAT OLINE AND GOOD SKILL players to win. If there are any cracks in the line then he is a bottom tier QB. He does not have the skill of getting rid of the ball quickly down.

I think the Raiders are not going to see anything different than we did in JC. He is going to be the same QB with all of the same faults and Raiders fans will be giving him alot of the same criticims we did as fans.

GTripp0012 · 08-13-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I find the throwing under the bus shtick the sport version of political correctness and find it rather annoying. When players play poorly, the facts speak for themselves, and no amount of BS self-censorship due to some camaraderie is going to change the facts. So by extension, I really don't have a problem with either of them calling them out when the line is actually playing like crap.
Now, I think people were ticked off at CP because even if he was right, he was a hypocrite because he himself didn't put 100% effort into his work either.

A good point, and very well stated.

GTripp0012 · 08-13-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Ok. I am not a hater of JC, but I am critical of his faults and I think Jason is about a middle of the road guy who needs a GREAT OLINE AND GOOD SKILL players to win. If there are any cracks in the line then he is a bottom tier QB. He does not have the skill of getting rid of the ball quickly down.

I think the Raiders are not going to see anything different than we did in JC. He is going to be the same QB with all of the same faults and Raiders fans will be giving him alot of the same criticims we did as fans.

I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion here, but there's a middle ground between great OL and good skill players, and what the Redskins had last season. Some examples include the Cleveland OL, Philly's OL, Detroit's OL, Tampa's OL, and Houston's OL. With any of those units (and the same, underachieving receivers), I would have to think our offense last year is an 8 to 10 win offense.

This year, I think our OL will be in that discussion, and that our offense will be improved by about that much.

Of course, saying that Campbell is a "bottom tier" quarterback when there's cracks in the line ignores the fact that Campbell's never been a bottom tier QB -- and theres been plenty of cracks in the line. That's a pretty clear denial of reality.

MTK · 08-13-2010, 03:09 PM

Yeah I think it's safe to say the bottom fell out last year, and he still put up middle of the road numbers in a bad system.

MonkFan4Life · 08-13-2010, 03:33 PM

Give me some time to type my retort

GTripp0012 · 08-13-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Give me some time to type my retort

You can have all the time in the world, but if you're not going to have any substance, don't bother to respond just to respond.

08-13-2010, 12:15 PM	#76
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 46 Posts: 17,460	Re: Good for Campbell It only gets noticed by people who have an unnatural, personal hatred for him. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

08-13-2010, 12:37 PM	#78
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: Good for Campbell I've never heard Campbell "bash" the organization per say, but he has been quoted at times as saying they were unprofessional, and made him feel like a used tissue the way they flirted with the other QB's. That's an exact quote there, somebody can look it up. He also said on more than one occasion that Vinny Cerrato and some of the other office people didn't talk to him at all when they passed him in the hallway during the team's pursuit of Jay Cutler. But no, i dont recall him ever bashing anybody but Portis, who he criticized for his poor work ethic, and refusal to practice, after Portis bashed Jason earlier this year. __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

08-13-2010, 01:26 PM	#79
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 48 Posts: 1,851	Re: Good for Campbell Campbell has handled the situation in Washington with a lot of grace, but he bristles when he hears critics talk about how he didn't throw the ball downfield enough in '09. In fact, I happened to catch him on the phone last month after he'd heard SI.com's Peter King criticizing him on a local radio station in Washington. "I don't know how anyone can say something like that," said Campbell on Thursday. "Don't you think I wanted to throw the ball downfield? By the time I looked up, I was getting hit. I'm certainly hoping we have an opportunity to make some big plays next season." He said more during his Monday interiews with Lavar and Dukes last season as well. If it's a case that you don't want to take that then cool, I'll give that to you. I know what I heard from him, as far as his subpar play. If you need anything for that I can lead you to the game highlights. But you never noticed it before so you probably wouldn't when I point them out. But I just finished looking at some game highlights from '08 and he's worse than I thought. He's a starter but he won't take you anywhere. __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

08-13-2010, 02:09 PM	#81
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 48 Posts: 1,851	Re: Good for Campbell No but how is it the truth if he says it but if Portis said it then he would be throwing them under the bus. So why would Jason be any different ? I could care less now, he's an Oakland fans' problem now. Someone questioned me on something that I said and I pulled that. However, I'm a well documented Jason Campbell hater so,... __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

08-13-2010, 02:21 PM	#82
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: Good for Campbell I think it was different with Portis last season because Portis talked so much trash, and then didnt do anything in the games to back it up, and he alienated himself from his teammates by not working out or practicing with them. But thats in the past, and he seems to be a good solider this year. Plus also, his job is in jeopardy for the first time in his redskins career. __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

08-13-2010, 02:28 PM	#83
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Good for Campbell I find the throwing under the bus shtick the sport version of political correctness and find it rather annoying. When players play poorly, the facts speak for themselves, and no amount of BS self-censorship due to some camaraderie is going to change the facts. So by extension, I really don't have a problem with either of them calling them out when the line is actually playing like crap. Now, I think people were ticked off at CP because even if he was right, he was a hypocrite because he himself didn't put 100% effort into his work either. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

08-13-2010, 02:54 PM	#85
artmonkforhallofamein07 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 5,001	Re: Good for Campbell Ok. I am not a hater of JC, but I am critical of his faults and I think Jason is about a middle of the road guy who needs a GREAT OLINE AND GOOD SKILL players to win. If there are any cracks in the line then he is a bottom tier QB. He does not have the skill of getting rid of the ball quickly down. I think the Raiders are not going to see anything different than we did in JC. He is going to be the same QB with all of the same faults and Raiders fans will be giving him alot of the same criticims we did as fans. __________________ Just win.

08-13-2010, 03:09 PM	#88
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,839	Re: Good for Campbell Yeah I think it's safe to say the bottom fell out last year, and he still put up middle of the road numbers in a bad system. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-13-2010, 03:33 PM	#89
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 48 Posts: 1,851	Re: Good for Campbell Give me some time to type my retort __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

Good for Campbell

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