The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[Alvin Walton]

Playoff run?
We were at 1-1 and you guys were thinking of playoffs?
Playoffs?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Playoff run?
We were at 1-1 and you guys were thinking of playoffs?
Playoffs?

Call me delusional but, yes this team will make the playoffs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Call me delusional but, yes this team will make the playoffs.

[BDBohnzie]

There is always a conception/misconception of how long it takes a team to adjust to a new scheme. The Redskins are currently undergoing changes on both sides of the ball, including a total overhaul on defense. The Redskins have also played 3 mediocre games thus far, leading to a 1-2 record that could quite easily be 0-3, as it could quite easily be 2-1 (they were never in yesterday's game, even with a 14-13 halftime score). Time will only tell whether the current players will adjust quickly and start playing solid football, or whether the players this year are playing for their spots on next year's team.

There is also a tone on this team that makes them feel like they don't have to earn things, that they'll be handed the silver spoon on the golden platter week in and week out. Haynesworth's quote, while doesn't sum over the overall team's take, could represent more than one player's thoughts, "I mean, you've got to look at their record and you've got to look at the team, and you think they've got a young quarterback and their line's been giving up a lot of sacks. And you might not think you're letting 'em off the hook or Hey, it's just the Rams, but it's got to be in your mind. Because you look at their record, you look at the young quarterback, look at how the line played before, giving up nine sacks before this game, and things like that. So it's little keys that probably make you think that way." The team certainly has that connotation about them that they'll just win and not have to earn it.

I think the growing pains of the 3-4 are clearly evident, and it'll help Shanny and Haslett plan for next year's roster to see who can hack it (Orakpo, Landry, Rocky, Fletcher) and who can't (Hall, Carter, Haynesworth). It'll be nice if the team can get their shit together and play solid football...however, it wouldn't surprise me if they coast through the season like they have in years past.

[Defensewins]

I am not surprised by the problems we are having on defense.
I have been posting all summer when I was disappointed to find out we hired Hasslett and were switching to the 3-4 full time, I knew this would happen and we would be vulnerable to the run. So this is not a shocker. I do think in time Hasslett wil turn it around.
One of the problem is every year with our fans and some on this sight, we experience some success in preseason and immediately we start hearing the ovelyr optimistic talk of playoffs and how we are back to being a winning team.
The reality is we are better (4-12) but not as far removed as some would think from what we were last year.
Our offensive line and defensive secondary (safety play) is greatly improved. But we are much weaker in our front seven, which is the foundation of any defense and what separates a winning teams from a losing teams.
Before we screaming for people to get fired we need give them a chance to right the ship. The only part that is little frustrating is they took a team strength, run stopping and some how made it a weakness. That is a bitter pill to swallow.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The only part that is little frustrating is they took a team strength, run stopping and some how made it a weakness. That is a bitter pill to swallow.

We gave up 4 yards per carry last year (16th in the league), and we've given up 3.5 yards per carry so far this year (11th).

[GTripp0012]

Quick reality interjection: Sam Bradford completed 62% of his passes for 6.35 yards per attempt yesterday.

Last year, Matt Stafford completed 58% of his passes for 6.70 yards per attempt last year against us.

Rams backs rushed for 133 yards on 37 carries in this game, good for 3.6 YPC.

Last year, Lions backs rushed 154 yards on 36 carries, good for 4.3 YPC

This year, we forced two turnovers, and made one QB sack vs. the Rams.

Last year, we forced no turnovers, and made two sacks vs. the Lions.

Our defense is ahead of where it was at this point last year. Carry on.

[skinsfan69]

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;740122]Quick reality interjection: Sam Bradford completed 62% of his passes for 6.35 yards per attempt yesterday.

Last year, Matt Stafford completed 58% of his passes for 6.70 yards per attempt last year against us.

Rams backs rushed for 133 yards on 37 carries in this game, good for 3.6 YPC.

Last year, Lions backs rushed 154 yards on 36 carries, good for 4.3 YPC

This year, we forced two turnovers, and made one QB sack vs. the Rams.

Last year, we forced no turnovers, and made two sacks vs. the Lions.

Our defense is ahead of where it was at this point last year. Carry on.[/QUOTE]

Well that is just a silly statement. You're using yesterdays game as the only example and forgetting all about last week. Did you watch last weeks game? I don't remember any QB throwing for almost 500 yards against our defense. The defense blew a 17 point lead and never made any adjustments. That's the most annoying thing so far. I've yet to see Haslett adjust to what the other teams play caller is doing. How many times did Schaub run that bootleg and what did Haslett do about it?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well that is just a silly statement. You're using yesterdays game as the only example and forgetting all about last week. Did you watch last weeks game? I don't remember any QB throwing for almost 500 yards against our defense. The defense blew a 17 point lead and never made any adjustments. That's the most annoying thing so far. I've yet to see Haslett adjust to what the other teams play caller is doing. How many times did Schaub run that bootleg and what did Haslett do about it?

That was a direct apples to apples comparison: 2009 Detroit and 2010 St. Louis.

Do you want to break out the numbers from last year's first Giants game? No, I really don't think you do, especially if you're of the position that our defense is worse now.

The point is, factually speaking, our defense was horrible through three weeks last year. They ended up in the middle of the pack after all was said and done. They were a strong unit in most of October. This is simply being overlooked right now as people come with the pitchforks and torches to the new DC is that, apples to apples, the old defense struggled just as much in our 1-2 start last year.

Worst case scenario right now is that: nothing is different and we'll only go as far as the offense can take us. Because that's just the kind of team we've been the last three seasons.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That was a direct apples to apples comparison: 2009 Detroit and 2010 St. Louis.

Do you want to break out the numbers from last year's first Giants game? No, I really don't think you do, especially if you're of the position that our defense is worse now.

The point is, factually speaking, our defense was horrible through three weeks last year. They ended up in the middle of the pack after all was said and done. They were a strong unit in most of October. This is simply being overlooked right now as people come with the pitchforks and torches to the new DC is that, apples to apples, the old defense struggled just as much in our 1-2 start last year.

Worst case scenario right now is that: nothing is different and we'll only go as far as the offense can take us. Because that's just the kind of team we've been the last three seasons.

You're simply taking stats from the years worst game to support you argument. The defense played well in the first Giants game. Anyone with football knowledge knows that the defense, although flawed, was decent. Not a great create havoc type of defense but good enough to make the playoffs if the offense could score more points. So why come in and totally change the scheme when the players you have don't fit? To me that's shitty coaching. You didn't see Mike Tomlin come in and run the Tampa two when he got the Pittsburgh job.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're simply taking stats from the years worst game to support you argument. The defense played well in the first Giants game. Anyone with football knowledge knows that the defense, although flawed, was decent. Not a great create havoc type of defense but good enough to make the playoffs if the offense could score more points. So why come in and totally change the scheme when the players you have don't fit? To me that's shitty coaching. You didn't see Mike Tomlin come in and run the Tampa two when he got the Pittsburgh job.

You're completely missing the point, and you're doing it without evidence, which is worse.

The point is that I/we simply don't know how good the defense is going to be this year. It might be top ten. It might be bottom ten. It's probably going to be somewhere in between. We need to see more before passing judgment on the virtues of the 3-4. All people are doing in this thread is passing judgment prematurely.

Last year's defense was worse through three games, and all we did last year was write them a pass because of the offense -- which was more productive in both losses last year than it was in both losses this year.

It's not hard to see that closed mindedness re: the 3-4 is causing people to point out that this year's defense had sucked when the EXACT same people were defending just a poor coaching/playing effort last year because we had a 4-3.

I'm not saying that Haslett is necessarily going to make the adjustments that make this defense passable, I'm just saying that if your issue here was that the defense is talent-loaded and underachieving...where the hell was everyone the last two years what that was PRECISELY the case in our 4-3.

[horse]

He needs to figure out a scheme to better fit our players, but the players and this may have lost us the game, need to learn how to tackle(D. Hall).

[Chico23231]

Well the Defense against the Texans was bad, yesterday it sucked....lets see how with play in Philly. Im thinking Vick and company are gonna put up big numbers against us.

I think it safe to say our defense has been the stronger part of this team for the last decade. Our offense has been garbage for that sametime, especially the last couple years. The expectations going into this year was yes growing pains into the new scheme. I did not expect us to be last in Defense per the yardage stats at this point in time.

Bottomline, there is no f*ckin excuse for a f*ckin rookie QB to pick apart are defense, and beat our ass the second half the way they did. Haslett did a PISS POOR job with adjustments in the second half and overall game planning yesterday.

[Beemnseven]

On an unrelated note -- everyone picks out the non-call on Landry in the endzone right before half-time. Howie Long was bitching about it on the half-time show on FOX.

No one seems to remember that earlier in the half, there was an obvious pass interference on Joey Galloway in the endzone that would have put the ball on the 1-yard line. So in that sense, we were even.

[Chico23231]

Rams hung 30 on us...nuff said about the poor state of our defense