The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You're completely missing the point, and you're doing it without evidence, which is worse.

The point is that I/we simply don't know how good the defense is going to be this year. It might be top ten. It might be bottom ten. It's probably going to be somewhere in between. We need to see more before passing judgment on the virtues of the 3-4. All people are doing in this thread is passing judgment prematurely.

Last year's defense was worse through three games, and all we did last year was write them a pass because of the offense -- which was more productive in both losses last year than it was in both losses this year.

It's not hard to see that closed mindedness re: the 3-4 is causing people to point out that this year's defense had sucked when the EXACT same people were defending just a poor coaching/playing effort last year because we had a 4-3.

I'm not saying that Haslett is necessarily going to make the adjustments that make this defense passable, I'm just saying that if your issue here was that the defense is talent-loaded and underachieving...where the hell was everyone the last two years what that was PRECISELY the case in our 4-3.

I'm not sure how you're quantifying "worse" but I'd be interested in knowing. Of course we don't know how good the defense is going to be this year and I don't think people here are really trying to make that point. Adjustments and scheme changes are fine and expected, but no was expecting the defense to fall off the cliff to 32nd in the league, GTripp.

We don't need sixteen games to see that this ain't working and Haslett appears to be in over his head big time. It's not just a personnel issue, it's a coaching issue from what I can see. Can I prove that it's a coaching issue with stats? Hell no. Seventeen of the thirty two teams run a 3-4 scheme, yet we're making it look like algebra.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm not sure how you're quantifying "worse" but I'd be interested in knowing. Of course we don't know how good the defense is going to be this year and I don't think people here are really trying to make that point. Adjustments and scheme changes are fine and expected, but no was expecting the defense to fall off the cliff to 32nd in the league, GTripp.

We don't need sixteen games to see that this ain't working and Haslett appears to be in over his head big time. It's not just a personnel issue, it's a coaching issue from what I can see. Can I prove that it's a coaching issue with stats? Hell no. Seventeen of the thirty two teams run a 3-4 scheme, yet we're making it look like algebra.

thats my biggest gripe right there. yes carter and orakpo might not be lb's but they are both damn talented as well as the rest of our d. we don't have the right guys for each position but with the talent level we have we shoudln't look this bad.

can anybody tell me anything haslett has ever really accomplished as a hc or dc other than lead the rams to a victory over the skins twice. i really don't know much about him, but after reading a couple things his success rate doesn't seem to be very good

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'm not sure how you're quantifying "worse" but I'd be interested in knowing. Of course we don't know how good the defense is going to be this year and I don't think people here are really trying to make that point. Adjustments and scheme changes are fine and expected, but no was expecting the defense to fall off the cliff to 32nd in the league, GTripp.

We don't need sixteen games to see that this ain't working and Haslett appears to be in over his head big time. It's not just a personnel issue, it's a coaching issue from what I can see. Can I prove that it's a coaching issue with stats? Hell no. Seventeen of the thirty two teams run a 3-4 scheme, yet we're making it look like algebra.

I didn't clearly lay out my argument in any one post, but I made it pretty clearly over the rest of the thread. One thing I didn't do was quantify worse, although "yards per play" is probably the stat I was using the most.

It's just a nonsensical conclusion is all I'm dealing with. A lot of us actually were frustrated with Blache at this time last year, if I recall correctly. Not ONE of us suggested that the problem was that we didn't have the personnel to play the 4-3 even though the results were frustratingly similar to what we've seen in the last three weeks.

When the evidence is the same (the defense is underachiving/was overrated), but the conclusion is instantly regarding our scheme/personnel fit, it's hard to defend that perspective, IMO. I hit the film every week, and didn't realize last year until after the seventh or eighth game that last year's team simply couldn't cover anyone in zone. I'd really like to know what people are seeing while following the ball in real time that has made them determine that the defense is schematically "out of its element."

There isn't a lot of evidence to support conclusions at this point, because mostly, there isn't a lot of evidence. Comparisons between last year and this year are completely valid for me. It's all we have at this point.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

We don't need sixteen games to see that this ain't working and Haslett appears to be in over his head big time. It's not just a personnel issue, it's a coaching issue from what I can see. Can I prove that it's a coaching issue with stats? Hell no. Seventeen of the thirty two teams run a 3-4 scheme, yet we're making it look like algebra.

Do you remember when Spags 1st took over the Giants D?
They were horrid to start off the season but finished as one of the best defenses in the league.

NFL teams change every week as coaches and players make adjustements.
Should every team that struggles early in the season scarp everything?
Should the Texans scrap their defenses? Should the Viking scrap their offense?
Should the Pats scrap their defense?

Its too early.

Also, looking at the defense as the whole if you had to pick one major area of fault that's causing them to struggle what would you pick?
-Me i would pick the secondary. And guess what? They're the unit least effected by the change to a 3-4.
But, you're right in that the coaches need to look at what they're doing especially Bob Slowick.

[Lotus]

Cut McNabb, bring back the great Rich Bartel, the only QB to lead us to a 4th quarter comeback win this year!