When it's all been said and done.

[Ruhskins]

I would definitely say that Brady is the top QB, with Manning a close second. Right now, I would say that Manning and the Colts are on the decline, while Brady and the Pats seem to be hitting a resurgence. Although I must say that Darth Hoody is doing wonders with that defense of theirs (who gave up 30+ points Buffalo) and virtually no running game.

Outside of the SB/Playoff records (clearly in favor of Brady), I think Brady and Manning have each had to carry their team through deficiencies (with Brady it was a lack of a true weapon at WR, including one year where he was throwing it to TEs and still made the playoffs; and Manning never having a decent defense); but they have also had big pluses helping them along the way (Manning = top WR group; Brady = great defense/now a good WR group).

I do think that Brady is more of a clutch QB; if you need a TD drive late in the 4th quarter, you want Manning behind center.

[SFREDSKIN]

I hate the term "best ever". None of us ever saw Sammy Baugh play, some saw Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, YA Tittle, etc. unfortunately everything revolves around stats. Game has evolved and changed.

Maybe best of his generation i would say.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I hate the term "best ever". None of us ever saw Sammy Baugh play, some saw Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, YA Tittle, etc. unfortunately everything revolves around stats. Game has evolved and changed.

Maybe best of his generation i would say.

I agree......Everytime the subject of GOAT is broached referencing any particular player, it's a challenge.

By me being much older than most of the guys that post here, I have several generations to reflect upon. Maybe opinions would vary a little more had the younger people had the opportunity to see Baugh, Starr, Unitas, YA Tittle, John Brodie, along with so many others.

I'm proud of the fact I got to see the last two years of Sammy Baugh, during his reign, people were saying the same thing about him they're saying now about guys like Brady and Manning.

The game has changed so much and stats are deceiving simply because the rules have been changed so much in an attempt to promote offense. I would love to have seen some of these receivers today, and how they would react to being fair game until the ball was in the air, or how these QB's would react when the defense could actually hit them.

It's virtually impossible to lump them all together and come up with a greatest, there would have to be a greatest for each generation, taking into consideration how the game has evolved. There may not be much argument that Brady is one of the best of this generation. All-time, impossible to determine.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I hate the term "best ever". None of us ever saw Sammy Baugh play, some saw Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, YA Tittle, etc. unfortunately everything revolves around stats. Game has evolved and changed.

Maybe best of his generation i would say.

I agree......For some reason someone always seems to feel the need to stake claim to the "best ever doctrine". I'll never buy into it because I've had the pleasure of watching many of the greatest at every position that ever played the game. And yes! SF I saw Baugh, Unitas , Starr, Tittle, Dawson, Lamonica, Graham and others. Brady, Manning Marino, and Montana are more in tune with the younger generations way of comprehension. Each and every one of these QB's could make a legitimate claim for being among the best of their generation, and it's not all based on statistics.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I would definitely say that Brady is the top QB, with Manning a close second. Right now, I would say that Manning and the Colts are on the decline, while Brady and the Pats seem to be hitting a resurgence. Although I must say that Darth Hoody is doing wonders with that defense of theirs (who gave up 30+ points Buffalo) and virtually no running game.

The Colts are having some issues, but I'd hardly say Manning is on the decline. The guy is tearing it up this year. In 4 games this year he's got 1,365 yards (341/gm), with 11tds and only 1 pick, and a rating of 112.2. That's not decline, that's MVP-caliber. He's pacing for over 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs. Those are monster numbers.