Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Warren Sapp could have theoretically been the greatest 3-4 RE ever if we just looked at him physically. Didn't happen because his mindset was up-the-field kill the QB. You also try to spin him as a lazy bitch when he sounded rather humble about the comments.


Simply because he has a huge contract does not in any way, shape, or form equate him to being a superhuman.

I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.

Wade runs a scheme that lets his guys shoot gaps. Haslett does not. The D-linemen hold the OL at bay for the LBs by playing two-gap responsibilities. This has been covered here in the past. It's also why I have my crazy sig.

And a link for good measure:
Guide to N.F.L. Defenses, Part 4: The 3-4 Front - NYTimes.com

There are other guys who have the physical skillset to be something better than they actually are. Those guys aren't. Andre Carter has the athleticism to be a 3-4 OLB, but he doesn't have the full set of instincts. Dhall could be another shutdown corner, but he's not.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.

A true nose tackle's job is not to get to the QB, their job is to plug the line and let everyone else get to the QB. Wade Phillip's style is a bit different, but obviously Haslett wasn't planning in running that here. If you look at true 3-4 NTs like Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork, they average about a sack a year.

The way Haynesworth carried himself through the offseason is inexcusable. However, if you can put that aside, anyone with some football knowledge should realize that this guy is designed to be a pass rushing defensive tackle.

Personally, I want the team to continue to use him as a pass rusher. The team is paying way too much money for him to be in a position where he doesn't fit. And by looking at this...



It seems that Haslett is doing a good job at using him.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.

Word to this. Truly great players learn how to adjust and still be among the best. Ray Lewis switched from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and remained arguably the best LB in the league. I'm sure Dlineman have switched between the schemes and been dominant both ways. Kris Jenkins, apart from his proneness to injury, is an example, tho maybe not the best you could find out there.

AH is an underachiever. I agree w/ those who say he's gone after this season.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.

I think we've found someone less mature than Haynesworth!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Buster

I think we've found someone less mature than Haynesworth!

You really aught to not talk about the maturity of others...since you're a slow fella I'm going to give you a pass.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.

Saden, I think you should just avoid any discussion of AH. You have no ability to make a point with any legitimacy on this topic. He is without a doubt our best d-lineman. It isn't even debatable.

Now what is debatable are the cracks in our head coaches' judgement that seem to be forming.

First, creating and fueling a situation with our best D-lineman that hurt the team in the W-L category. Next, benching our best QB for Rex effing Grossman when we had a legitimate chance to win. Lastly, letting Casey Rabach hike the ball to the quarterback.

Continuing to put Casey Rabach on the field is proof of insanity...

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Saden, I think you should just avoid any discussion of AH. You have no ability to make a point with any legitimacy on this topic. He is without a doubt our best d-lineman. It isn't even debatable.

Now what is debatable are the cracks in our head coaches' judgement that seem to be forming.

First, creating and fueling a situation with our best D-lineman that hurt the team in the W-L category. Next, benching our best QB for Rex effing Grossman when we had a legitimate chance to win. Lastly, letting Casey Rabach hike the ball to the quarterback.

Continuing to put Casey Rabach on the field is proof of insanity...

Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.

I think we're overstating the accountability issue here and it's now becoming more of a talking point, and masking some of Shanahan's short comings, rather than something that actually fosters trust and maturity in your locker room. If your approach yields confusion and mistrust, then you need to check yourself. This ain't Pop Warner and it ain't the collegiate ranks. You're only going to be able to get so far with the hard nose approach with professional athletes that play at this level. And Shanny needs to find the line between effective accountability as an NFL coach and letting professionals be professionals.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think we're overstating the accountability issue here and it's now becoming more of a talking point, and masking some of Shanahan's short comings, rather than something that actually fosters trust and maturity in your locker room. If your approach yields confusion and mistrust, then you need to check yourself. This ain't Pop Warner and it ain't the collegiate ranks. You're only going to be able to get so far with the hard nose approach with professional athletes that play at this level. And Shanny needs to find the line between effective accountability as an NFL coach and letting professionals be professionals.

Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.

Totally agree.

I don't think there's any real confusion or mistrust anyway. The whole situation with Haynesworth was blown out of proportion and I think the dust will settle on this McNabb issue as well.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Totally agree.

I don't think there's any real confusion or mistrust anyway. The whole situation with Haynesworth was blown out of proportion and I think the dust will settle on this McNabb issue as well.

have to disagree with you on Haynesworth here Matty ,big Al started this crap and has kept it going he's gone after this year but as for McNabb I agree...this will blow over wining a few games will solve that and if you make the playoffs ...he'll get his long term deal.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.

Well Belichick has had the fortune of winning three Superbowls to back him up on his tactics. Unless you intimately know the details of pre-SB Patriots, I say that his tactics have become better known after he started to win. Maybe he started out this way in New England, but it is hard to question anyone when they win.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.

I am starting to seriously question Shanahan's "principles". Anyone noticed that McNabb is "out of shape" according to Shanahan. Seriously?

At least saying a 340 pound lineman, who you don't like, is out of shape passes the eye test. Trying to sell that McNabb is now "out of shape"? I am not buying.