Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by irish

DM has no running game, terrible WRs and a crummy O line so its tough to look good or make anything happen. DM is past his prime but if he had some weapons he'd be playing much better.

I forgot our crappy running game. CP is toast, and I don't just mean for 2010. Torain is not rugid enough, and that leaves us with Williams and this other guy. Not too good. We leave the 2010 season with more roster problems than we entered into it with.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I forgot our crappy running game. CP is toast, and I don't just mean for 2010. Torain is not rugid enough, and that leaves us with Williams and this other guy. Not too good. We leave the 2010 season with more roster problems than we entered into it with.

What does "rugid" mean?

[htownskinfan]

After the houston game I was so pumped that we finally had a good qb,but as we all know now Houston's pass defense makes everyone look all pro.Mcnabb since then has looked JC like.The problem is how I see it,Snyder wants to win now and will not draft a QB to "groom".Looking back now I wish we would have kept JC and or drafted bradford.I wouldnt care if they let Mcnabb go,just about any journeyman QB could put up his numbers,Grossman included.

[Chico23231]

McNabb was won us a couple more games that JC wouldnt have, so I see that as an upgrade. Sure hes on the downside of his career, but he is our best option at this point. I think you look elsewhere on this team to point fingers at this time. Our roster is generally lacking in talent. Shanny brought in 24 new guys and gutted alot of salary and age, look for this trend to continue in the offseason.

We have a 1st and a 2nd in the draft, we have a larger market of free agents...this team was not a playoff team coming into this year. McNabb, the entire offense and defense are under new schemes, coaching staffs, etc. Lets give it a little time

[44ever]

If it's getting harder for us fans to watch the Skins, imagine how hard it is to go out and play for them. McNabb is playing on the Skins. What do you want him to do to stand out? The Oline sucks so he's feeling unbelievable pressure. When he does have a little time in the backfield, his receivers are not open. The play calling is conservative at best. No RB to dump it off to. No play action, no screens, nothing to help him out.

Can't judge DM this season.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by 44ever

If it's getting harder for us fans to watch the Skins, imagine how hard it is to go out and play for them. McNabb is playing on the Skins. What do you want him to do to stand out? The Oline sucks so he's feeling unbelievable pressure. When he does have a little time in the backfield, his receivers are not open. The play calling is conservative at best. No RB to dump it off to. No play action, no screens, nothing to help him out.

Can't judge DM this season.

That pretty much sums up my point too.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

If it's getting harder for us fans to watch the Skins, imagine how hard it is to go out and play for them. McNabb is playing on the Skins. What do you want him to do to stand out? The Oline sucks so he's feeling unbelievable pressure. When he does have a little time in the backfield, his receivers are not open. The play calling is conservative at best. No RB to dump it off to. No play action, no screens, nothing to help him out.

Can't judge DM this season.

The most well defined characteristics associated with Donovan's game that has been so upsetting for fans [and I'm sure coaches alike] has little to do with the personnel he's surrounded by or the play-calling. It has more to do with decision making in pressure situations, the propensity for throwing the untimely interception, as well as throwing high, behind, in front of.... and passes into the ground, often to open receivers. These are individual flaws in his game that have plagued his entire career, and in more instances than one have attributed to his lack of success in big games.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The most well defined characteristics associated with Donovan's game that has been so upsetting for fans [and I'm sure coaches alike] has little to do with the personnel he's surrounded by or the play-calling. It has more to do with decision making in pressure situations, the propensity for throwing the untimely interception, as well as throwing high, behind, in front of.... and passes into the ground, often to open receivers. These are individual flaws in his game that have plagued his entire career, and in more instances than one have attributed to his lack of success in big games.

I'll tell you right now, If DM plays lights out for an entire season (next season), if we get in the playoffs he's done. Thats a fact. He has never been able to play up to his potential in a big game. Ever! This is my only concern with DM.

With that said, surround him with some real talent and he will bring us to the playoffs.

Someone mentioned Mike Vick, Thats a unfair comparison since Vick is probably in top 3 for NFL MVP this season. Keep in mind, when Vick has no play, he runs. DM can't really do that anymore. So his options are more limited than Vick's. Not to mention his (Vicks) WR's are fast and open most of the time.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I'll tell you right now, If DM plays lights out for an entire season (next season), if we get in the playoffs he's done. Thats a fact. He has never been able to play up to his potential in a big game. Ever! This is my only concern with DM.

With that said, surround him with some real talent and he will bring us to the playoffs.

Someone mentioned Mike Vick, Thats a unfair comparison since Vick is probably in top 3 for NFL MVP this season. Keep in mind, when Vick has no play, he runs. DM can't really do that anymore. So his options are more limited than Vick's. Not to mention his (Vicks) WR's are fast and open most of the time.

So what are you on the Jets band wagon with your Avatar of 44 Riggo? I watch the John Riggo show and man he really seems to be a hater. As you can see when the Redskins are not ding well the fake ass fans jump the ship.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

So what are you on the Jets band wagon with your Avatar of 44 Riggo? I watch the John Riggo show and man he really seems to be a hater. As you can see when the Redskins are not ding well the fake ass fans jump the ship.

Yeah I'm a Jets fan who happens to be a Riggo fan. But if I was a fake Skins fan I would have had to jump ship many, many, many years ago. It's been a while since they did well.

I really don't think the Skins have any fake fans left.

[MTK]

As usual the QB is to blame.

I'm more disappointed with the team overall than just individual players.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

As usual the QB is to blame.

I'm more disappointed with the team overall than just individual players.

No one player alone is ever totally responsible for either the success or failure of a team. All too often in the game of football the coach or the QB get to share in the majority of credit or blame, for failure or success depending on the circumstance.

In the Redskins case when it comes to blame, there's more than enough gathered already and it can be spread out throughout the team. McNabb himself has admitted on more than one occasion that he hasn't played well this season. When the team can't depend on it's leader to perform well on game day, that lack of confidence can have a trickle down effect.....

[skinsfan69]

I'm not disgusted. He is what he is. He'll make some great throws and he'll make some terrible throws. He's consistenly inconsistent. I'm a little disappointed with the turnovers cause before he got here it seems like he was good at taking care of the ball. I think he can still play, he just needs better players around him.

[SmootSmack]

Absolutely disgusted? Not at all. Part of what McNabb brings is the intangible leadership that's necessary particularly following such a disastrous year and the necessary changes taking place this year, and at least next year. Did we overtrade (if that's a word) for leadership? Yeah probably. On the field, he has made some big plays that few, if any QBs, on our roster the past couple of years (this year included) could have made. And several of his interceptions have not been his fault...but he doesn't have Joey Galloway to blame anymore.

At the same time, he's made some real head-scratching decisions. Particularly for a proven 11 year veteran such as himself.

Overall, I'm not too concerned with McNabb, and most certainly not absolutely disgusted. But I am concerned that there's currently no true future at QB.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Absolutely disgusted? Not at all. Part of what McNabb brings is the intangible leadership that's necessary particularly following such a disastrous year and the necessary changes taking place this year, and at least next year. Did we overtrade (if that's a word) for leadership? Yeah probably. On the field, he has made some big plays that few, if any QBs, on our roster the past couple of years (this year included) could have made. And several of his interceptions have not been his fault...but he doesn't have Joey Galloway to blame anymore.

At the same time, he's made some real head-scratching decisions. Particularly for a proven 11 year veteran such as himself.

Overall, I'm not too concerned with McNabb, and most certainly not absolutely disgusted. But I am concerned that there's currently no true future at QB.

I agree with your post 100%. He's made some awful decisions. I don't think he was worth a 2nd and a 4th, but I guess it was very important to Shanny to have a proven leader at QB while he implements his systems and his coaching style. And that's fine. But anyone who is still expecting McNabb to have some sort of Pro-bowl campaign while in burgundy and gold is smoking something.

I don't think he'll ever be anything better than average for us. And as to your point in bold, we need to get a young stud QB in here asap so he can sit a season or two behind McNabb before taking the reigns of this franchise.