Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not really a completely fair comparison since the Colts have had that same system since Manning came into the league. And even then they've certainly had their share of struggles this year.

If McNabb was still on Philly I don't think he would be putting up the numbers that Vick is. Vick actually throws a better ball and is more accurate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If McNabb was still on Philly I don't think he would be putting up the numbers that Vick is. Vick actually throws a better ball and is more accurate.

Would they still be winning though? I think so.

[30gut]

I'm not disgusted but I'm concerned.
I never thought that he would play this poorly.
Imo he turns down far too many move the chain type passes to force the ball into tighter coverage or just to chuck it deep.
He's boom or bust on a team who's solve chance for offensive success hinges on efficiency.
I keep waiting for McNabb to snap out of it and I'm still waiting for Kyle to run the ball more and use or personnel better and create mis-matches that make the McNabb's read more well defined.

I believe that right now McNabb is indeed holding the offense back.
The question is back from what? League average or better?

But if not McNabb then who?

[SmootSmack]

Absolutely disgusted? Not at all. Part of what McNabb brings is the intangible leadership that's necessary particularly following such a disastrous year and the necessary changes taking place this year, and at least next year. Did we overtrade (if that's a word) for leadership? Yeah probably. On the field, he has made some big plays that few, if any QBs, on our roster the past couple of years (this year included) could have made. And several of his interceptions have not been his fault...but he doesn't have Joey Galloway to blame anymore.

At the same time, he's made some real head-scratching decisions. Particularly for a proven 11 year veteran such as himself.

Overall, I'm not too concerned with McNabb, and most certainly not absolutely disgusted. But I am concerned that there's currently no true future at QB.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

If it's getting harder for us fans to watch the Skins, imagine how hard it is to go out and play for them. McNabb is playing on the Skins. What do you want him to do to stand out? The Oline sucks so he's feeling unbelievable pressure. When he does have a little time in the backfield, his receivers are not open. The play calling is conservative at best. No RB to dump it off to. No play action, no screens, nothing to help him out.

Can't judge DM this season.

The most well defined characteristics associated with Donovan's game that has been so upsetting for fans [and I'm sure coaches alike] has little to do with the personnel he's surrounded by or the play-calling. It has more to do with decision making in pressure situations, the propensity for throwing the untimely interception, as well as throwing high, behind, in front of.... and passes into the ground, often to open receivers. These are individual flaws in his game that have plagued his entire career, and in more instances than one have attributed to his lack of success in big games.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The most well defined characteristics associated with Donovan's game that has been so upsetting for fans [and I'm sure coaches alike] has little to do with the personnel he's surrounded by or the play-calling. It has more to do with decision making in pressure situations, the propensity for throwing the untimely interception, as well as throwing high, behind, in front of.... and passes into the ground, often to open receivers. These are individual flaws in his game that have plagued his entire career, and in more instances than one have attributed to his lack of success in big games.

I'll tell you right now, If DM plays lights out for an entire season (next season), if we get in the playoffs he's done. Thats a fact. He has never been able to play up to his potential in a big game. Ever! This is my only concern with DM.

With that said, surround him with some real talent and he will bring us to the playoffs.

Someone mentioned Mike Vick, Thats a unfair comparison since Vick is probably in top 3 for NFL MVP this season. Keep in mind, when Vick has no play, he runs. DM can't really do that anymore. So his options are more limited than Vick's. Not to mention his (Vicks) WR's are fast and open most of the time.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Absolutely disgusted? Not at all. Part of what McNabb brings is the intangible leadership that's necessary particularly following such a disastrous year and the necessary changes taking place this year, and at least next year. Did we overtrade (if that's a word) for leadership? Yeah probably. On the field, he has made some big plays that few, if any QBs, on our roster the past couple of years (this year included) could have made. And several of his interceptions have not been his fault...but he doesn't have Joey Galloway to blame anymore.

At the same time, he's made some real head-scratching decisions. Particularly for a proven 11 year veteran such as himself.

Overall, I'm not too concerned with McNabb, and most certainly not absolutely disgusted. But I am concerned that there's currently no true future at QB.

I agree with your post 100%. He's made some awful decisions. I don't think he was worth a 2nd and a 4th, but I guess it was very important to Shanny to have a proven leader at QB while he implements his systems and his coaching style. And that's fine. But anyone who is still expecting McNabb to have some sort of Pro-bowl campaign while in burgundy and gold is smoking something.

I don't think he'll ever be anything better than average for us. And as to your point in bold, we need to get a young stud QB in here asap so he can sit a season or two behind McNabb before taking the reigns of this franchise.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree with your post 100%. He's made some awful decisions. I don't think he was worth a 2nd and a 4th, but I guess it was very important to Shanny to have a proven leader at QB while he implements his systems and his coaching style. And that's fine. But anyone who is still expecting McNabb to have some sort of Pro-bowl campaign while in burgundy and gold is smoking something.

I don't think he'll ever be anything better than average for us. And as to your point in bold, we need to get a young stud QB in here asap so he can sit a season or two behind McNabb before taking the reigns of this franchise.

I agree so if that's the case then you gotta wonder why they gave up the draft picks. Could've just kept JC, brought in Grossmam to compete and kept the picks. We'd probably have one less win.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Would they still be winning though? I think so.

I do think they would have a winning record, but I dont think he'd be playing at the level Vick is right now. Vick really was a significant upgrade to McNabb in may ways....

[firstdown]

I'm guessing the guy who started this thread is not even a skins fan and just trying to stir up the pot. I could be wrong just a feeling I have.

[SolidSnake84]

I dont find his level of play disgusting. It's not THAT bad....but i think as redskins fans, we have kind of gotten used to poor play at QB, except for in 05 with Brunell, and 07 with Collins..

I think Donovan is exactly what most people figured he would be on this team..a good leader who is able to still do some things, but is past his best and best used in a role where he starts for a year or 2 while another QB watches from the bench until he is ready..

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree so if that's the case then you gotta wonder why they gave up the draft picks. Could've just kept JC, brought in Grossmam to compete and kept the picks. We'd probably have one less win.

Totally agree. I've said this before on here- one thing that Campbell has that McNabb doesn't is the ability to learn a system on the fly. McNabb has apparently really struggled to pick up what Kyle is putting down - so much so that both Shanahan's have been allegedly surprised and disappointed.

I don't think we'd be much better or much worse with Campbell and/or Grossman as a starter this season. And we'd still have two really important draft picks. I mean, McNabb has 15 picks to only 12 TDs, and a rating of 75.2 (3 points lower than JC's this season). Campbell's stats as a starter here were never that poor, and he learned a new system nearly every season. Just saying.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Totally agree. I've said this before on here- one thing that Campbell has that McNabb doesn't is the ability to learn a system on the fly. McNabb has apparently really struggled to pick up what Kyle is putting down - so much so that both Shanahan's have been allegedly surprised and disappointed.

I don't think we'd be much better or much worse with Campbell and/or Grossman as a starter this season. And we'd still have two really important draft picks. I mean, McNabb has 15 picks to only 12 TDs, and a rating of 75.2 (3 points lower than JC's this season). Campbell's stats as a starter here were never that poor, and he learned a new system nearly every season. Just saying.

I generally agree, however, the drama and angst that JC and the previous FO's had established here would have caused far more disruption. In fact, even though DM's play hasn't been stellar, I believe that attention is being more evenly focused, than if JC were here, and all the discussion revolved around his perceived deficiencies.

I hope we give DM another year to settle down, and more importantly build as best we can around him. Not that he will change who he is, but moreso he does not present a vivid reminder of the past malfeasance on the part of the FO.

I was pretty against DM when they brought him in, but not having the weekly JC bash/love threads has been one of the better parts of this season.

[over the mountain]

i think mcnabb is doing pretty well given the circumstances. after years and years of an anemic passing offense, we finally have a QB who is trying and capable of making the big pass play.

yeah i wish he was more accurate on throws, i wish the receivers and TEs caught the catchable balls, but McNabb has brought something to our offense we havent had in a very very longtime . . .an actual passing attack that stretches the field.

i blame most of our offensive woes and shortcomings on not being able to establish the run. like shanny said before the reg seasona nd after seemingly every loss, this offense is predicated on establishing the run. we did it in tenn, controlled the ball, won the game. we dont run the ball, control the clock . . .we get out of sync.

personally i like what mcnabb brings to the table, actual ability to pass down field. weve been looking for that for a 10 plus years now.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I dont find his level of play disgusting. It's not THAT bad....but i think as redskins fans, we have kind of gotten used to poor play at QB, except for in 05 with Brunell, and 07 with Collins..

I think Donovan is exactly what most people figured he would be on this team..a good leader who is able to still do some things, but is past his best and best used in a role where he starts for a year or 2 while another QB watches from the bench until he is ready..

Good post. That makes the most sense. What better position for a young QB to be in, A HOF QB to sit under, one that will only play for another year or two. But for this to work, we must secure a young future QB next season at the latest. I think we will see that.

I don't think Shanny is planning moment by moment, he has a plan. McNabb is just a bridge that not only gives us a chance to win now but the future as well.