Is it finally time to rebuild??

[Longtimefan]

The concept of rebuild has been well adopted in the minds of many fans, but will it be adopted at the box office. If this team continues it's losing ways, attendance will suffer greatly, forcing management to somehow find a happy medium. Yesterdays announced attendance 66,000+ could become the norm.

Mike Wise - Mike Shanahan and Washington Redskins must face need to rebuild

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The concept of rebuild has been well adopted in the minds of many fans, but will it be adopted at the box office. If this team continues it's losing ways, attendance will suffer greatly, forcing management to somehow find a happy medium. Yesterdays announced attendance 66,000+ could become the norm.

Mike Wise - Mike Shanahan and Washington Redskins must face need to rebuild

I'm sure the weather was a factor in that

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm sure the weather was a factor in that

That's true, it was definitely cold wet and a little windy, and believe me by the end of the game there was nowhere close to 66,000 left in the stands. I'm not so sure there was that many at the start of the game. Only the true die-hards were present yesterday.

[Daseal]

We have NOT tried to rebuild yet. A lot of people equate losing to rebuilding. Just because we suck doesn’t mean we’re rebuilding. We’re still giving up draft picks for 34 year old players. That is not rebuilding – that’s saying we want to win now. If you want to pick up some veteran FA’s. Fine. If you are trading for them, sacrificing young future players for the team, you’re still trying to win.
I’m ready to break the core of this team apart. See what we can get some value for, turn to the younger players. Start building a new attitude in DC. Not saying trade away everyone. But keep age in mind. Anyone over the age of 27/28 should be expendable, for the right price.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Daseal

We have NOT tried to rebuild yet. A lot of people equate losing to rebuilding. Just because we suck doesn’t mean we’re rebuilding. We’re still giving up draft picks for 34 year old players. That is not rebuilding – that’s saying we want to win now. If you want to pick up some veteran FA’s. Fine. If you are trading for them, sacrificing young future players for the team, you’re still trying to win.
I’m ready to break the core of this team apart. See what we can get some value for, turn to the younger players. Start building a new attitude in DC. Not saying trade away everyone. But keep age in mind. Anyone over the age of 27/28 should be expendable, for the right price.

Amen Bro! It is time to stockpile and place value on draft picks, and rebuild primarily through the draft. Regardless of who has led our FO, one constant under Snyder's ownership is the trading of draft picks for veterans, as if we're one or two players away from contending. The two playoff appearances in Gibbs 2.0 were a mirage. Those teams had losing records before making final sprints to eek out a #6 seed. They created delusion in the FO that we were close. I would even argue that cutting an able young body like Devin Thomas in favor of older players like Galloway and Roydell Williams may satisfy Shanny's desire to win now, but is counter-productive to getting younger, faster, and stronger in the long term. As a fan, I will willingly take a couple more crappy 5-6 win seasons if it means that the roster is being turned over for a future loaded with young talent ready to contend in 3 years. Time to take a longer term approach if we ever hope to compete in our division, much less make the playoffs.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Amen Bro! It is time to stockpile and place value on draft picks, and rebuild primarily through the draft. Regardless of who has led our FO, one constant under Snyder's ownership is the trading of draft picks for veterans, as if we're one or two players away from contending. The two playoff appearances in Gibbs 2.0 were a mirage. Those teams had losing records before making final sprints to eek out a #6 seed. They created delusion in the FO that we were close. I would even argue that cutting an able young body like Devin Thomas in favor of older players like Galloway and Roydell Williams may satisfy Shanny's desire to win now, but is counter-productive to getting younger, faster, and stronger in the long term. As a fan, I will willingly take a couple more crappy 5-6 win seasons if it means that the roster is being turned over for a future loaded with young talent ready to contend in 3 years. Time to take a longer term approach if we ever hope to compete in our division, much less make the playoffs.

This pretty much sums up my thought process as well. Right now, this team is horrid. They need to make bold moves and, I believe, get rid of a lot of the "good" players they have as opposed to relying on them even more.

I think that as long as guys like Rogers, Hall, Moss, and Portis are on the roster, this team is going to sit back and think they are set at those positions. That shouldn't be the case. I would seriously have a roster next season that didn't include one of them! Having Santana as a #1 is really hurting the offense. Torain was released after camp because Portis was on the team. This can't continue to happen. The aging vets HAVE to go. That's the only way this team will improve. Have a fire sale and see what you can get. If the answer is "not much," so be it.

This team will never win the way it's currently constructed. They're so far from Super Bowl contention right now that they have no choice but to blow this thing up.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Daseal

We have NOT tried to rebuild yet. A lot of people equate losing to rebuilding. Just because we suck doesn’t mean we’re rebuilding. We’re still giving up draft picks for 34 year old players. That is not rebuilding – that’s saying we want to win now. If you want to pick up some veteran FA’s. Fine. If you are trading for them, sacrificing young future players for the team, you’re still trying to win.
I’m ready to break the core of this team apart. See what we can get some value for, turn to the younger players. Start building a new attitude in DC. Not saying trade away everyone. But keep age in mind. Anyone over the age of 27/28 should be expendable, for the right price.

This is exactly what I meant. Sure, every year every team tries to get younger. BUT rebuilding means that you (1) keep your draft picks, and (2) trade away older core great players to get more picks or younger players. Just like NE trading Randy Moss - good player but the 3rd round pick is more valuable to the team in the long-term. Brilliant.

For us, it'd be any of these guys:
- Cooley
- S.Moss
- C. Rogers
- A.Carter

These are great players but -- how would they help us in the next 3 years? They'd all be older than 31-32 by then, and past their primes. Better to have a younger player that can be around for 10 years.

That is what I meant about rebuilding. Again, I'm not sure we're going to do it. If we get lucky with picks and trades, we can put together a good team each year. But rebuilding has the potential to make a great team for a decade, like NE/Ravens/etc.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by ethat001

This is exactly what I meant. Sure, every year every team tries to get younger. BUT rebuilding means that you (1) keep your draft picks, and (2) trade away older core great players to get more picks or younger players. Just like NE trading Randy Moss - good player but the 3rd round pick is more valuable to the team in the long-term. Brilliant.

For us, it'd be any of these guys:
- Cooley
- S.Moss
- C. Rogers
- A.Carter

These are great players but -- how would they help us in the next 3 years? They'd all be older than 31-32 by then, and past their primes. Better to have a younger player that can be around for 10 years.

That is what I meant about rebuilding. Again, I'm not sure we're going to do it. If we get lucky with picks and trades, we can put together a good team each year. But rebuilding has the potential to make a great team for a decade, like NE/Ravens/etc.

I'd add Landry as the most tradable player we have. Certainly I don't want to see him go, but what if a scenario like this comes up:

LL, AH & our 1st rounder to NO (the GW connection w/Landry) for multiple picks, e.g. their 1st-3rd? I'm just sayin, Landry is the only guy that could generate a blockbuster deal. I would hope Orakpo is off limits unless we get a H. Walker type offer.