Rex Grossman may start this Sunday

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard ).

For whatever reason, Shanny somehow gets a bum rap about personnel and drafts. I just don't think it's as bad as people think.

Here's a column by Thom Loverro that talks about his last four drafts. If only our previous front office had that type of success...

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

For whatever reason, Shanny somehow gets a bum rap about personnel and drafts. I just don't think it's as bad as people think.

Here's a column by Thom Loverro that talks about his last four drafts. If only our previous front office had that type of success...

And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and his defensive picks leave much to be desired. So far, it's the same story here.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and his defensive picks leave much to be desired. So far, it's the same story here.

Looked to be a pretty good mix of both offensive and defensive selections. Are they future Hall of Famers? Maybe not, but the point is, Mike Shanahan isn't the outright worthless talent evaluator people make him out to be.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Looked to be a pretty good mix of both offensive and defensive selections. Are they future Hall of Famers? Maybe not, but the point is, Mike Shanahan isn't the outright worthless talent evaluator people make him out to be.

I wasn't trying to paint him as worthless damnit, just that there is huge dichotomy between the quality of offensive draft selections and his defensive ones. Darrent Williams and Dumervil are the only high quality defensive players listed. The rest are either scrubs in disguise(the UFL'er, the Detroit corner) or solid reserves.
Compare that with Marshall, Cutler, Royal, Torain, Hillis, etc, and it's without debate that his eye for offensive talent is far sharper than his eye for defensive talent.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I wasn't trying to paint him as worthless damnit, just that there is huge dichotomy between the quality of offensive draft selections and his defensive ones. Darrent Williams and Dumervil are the only high quality defensive players listed. The rest are either scrubs in disguise(the UFL'er, the Detroit corner) or solid reserves.
Compare that with Marshall, Cutler, Royal, Torain, Hillis, etc, and it's without debate that his eye for offensive talent is far sharper than his eye for defensive talent.

I didn't say YOU said he was worthless dammit. That's the conventional wisdom -- that Shanahan sucks as a personnel man. That's what we've heard all goddam year. Then, it gets pointed out that the last four drafts the Broncos had all have either bonafide starters or guys that are mostly still playing the NFL. Now, his critics have had to fall back and say, "well, he sucks as a defensive talent evaluator."

So he didn't transform the Broncos into the reincarnation of the '85 effing Bears. What the hell do people want from this guy?

Do us all a big favor and hold your breath while you wait for absolute perfection from Mike Shanahan.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I didn't say YOU said he was worthless dammit. That's the conventional wisdom -- that Shanahan sucks as a personnel man. That's what we've heard all goddam year. Then, it gets pointed out that the last four drafts the Broncos had all have either bonafide starters or guys that are mostly still playing the NFL. Now, his critics have had to fall back and say, "well, he sucks as a defensive talent evaluator."

So he didn't transform the Broncos into the reincarnation of the '85 effing Bears. What the hell do people want from this guy?

Do us all a big favor and hold your breath while you wait for absolute perfection from Mike Shanahan.

Apparently Vinny was so bad that even average GMs need to be defended like they're Sam Pollock or Bill Walsh.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Apparently Vinny was so bad that even average GMs need to be defended like they're Sam Pollock or Bill Walsh.

Oh, so now you've upgraded Shanny to an "average GM". You do a mean tap dance -- I'll give you that.

And yes, Vinny WAS that bad. What team do you follow again?