Who Will Be The Redskins 2011 Opening Day Starting QB?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It was not driven by Snyder. Once Bruce Allen saw that there was an opening to make a move for McNabb he told Mike Shanahan he was potentially available and stated his case for why he thought the deal made sense and how he could get it done. I believe Allen had tried to get McNabb a couple of years ago in Tampa as well. Anyhow, Mike Shanahan gave the go ahead and that's that. So if anyone was the "driving force" it was Bruce Allen

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

I don't believe Allen was with the Bucs when they made the offer to Haynesworth

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

I believe Allen was fired before Tampa offered Fat Al a contract. That was the Raheem Morris Bucs. Allen was fired with Gruden.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

Shanny is also the team president, of course he can fire him if he wants.

Allen wasn't in Tampa when AH was on the move.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shanny is also the team president, of course he can fire him if he wants.

Allen wasn't in Tampa when AH was on the move.

My bad - I thought Allen wasnt fired until after the draft. Still, my point remains that Allen shouldnt have anything to do with personnel moves.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

My bad - I thought Allen wasnt fired until after the draft. Still, my point remains that Allen shouldnt have anything to do with personnel moves.

Well, whatever input BA has, Shanahan still has the final say over all football decisions. So ultimately you have to blame Mike.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

As I understand it, Allen doesn't do any personnel, at least in terms of scouting. Allen does contracts & manages the business side. So far, I see things going much differently under Allen. e.g. he gave up little to get Brown & Carriker. Some of the old vets they brought in didn't get paid - Parker & Johnson. There's been a big emphasis on incentives in deals.

I will give Allen a pass on the Mcnabb trade. He probably had to offer more than he wanted to to get McNabb from a div. rival. I don't think that deal is any way indicative of Allen's trade negotiations. As for McNabbs "extension" it was pretty crafty, it gives the skins an out & at the same time pays McNabb well if he's on the roster. Also, leaves open the possibility of trading him.