McNabb's agents take aim at the Shanahans, Mike responds...

[juskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Redskins Insider - Donovan McNabb's agent blasts the Shanahans

Mike Shanahan responds to Fletcher Smith | ProFootballTalk

I was surprised there wasn't a thread on this yet.

I get what Fletcher Smith is doing. And I hear what Shanahan is saying. McNabb has said all the right things, but his agent works for him. If he didn't want Smith saying those things about KS and MS, Smith wouldn't have.

The Shanahans have blundered seriously this year. My way or the highway is okay to an extent, but you have to blend that kind of style with deft management of personalities (see New England. Same attitude, no leaks, no malcontents). And in that department, we have failed. They've acted like stubborn jerks at times this year, with ego prevailing.

I was hoping the Skins were finally being run by adults. I'm still not so sure. The dysfunction this year seems just as bad or worse as in year's past.

This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by juskins

This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

How does this in any way relate to my post that you quoted?

[juskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

How does this in any way relate to my post that you quoted?

Head coaches and the teams they coach need one voice to make the calls that previous coaches lost their jobs because they went along with business as usual.

Your reference about NE being a good example of knowing how to mix kind words and deeds in handling these types of situations, reminds me of players in the past who played for NE complaining that they were lied to by the HC, recently, Randy Moss.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

Head coaches and the teams they coach need one voice to make the calls that previous coaches lost their jobs because they went along with business as usual.

Your reference about NE being a good example of knowing how to mix kind words and deeds in handling these types of situations, reminds me of players in the past who played for NE complaining that they were lied to by the HC, recently, Randy Moss.

Belichick doesn't publicly humiliate his players nor does he announce his hypothetical plans for the players to the public like saying I'll welcome player X back as a backup. The latter would weaken his leverage in negotiations with other teams for trades. They may feel bad that he let them go too soon and that they still could have contributed to the Pats success, but that's it. Just business.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Belichick doesn't publicly humiliate his players nor does he announce his hypothetical plans for the players to the public like saying I'll welcome player X back as a backup. The latter would weaken his leverage in negotiations with other teams for trades. They may feel bad that he let them go too soon and that they still could have contributed to the Pats success, but that's it. Just business.

So, the truth comes out. You can't stomach a head coach (a Redskins HC) telling a veteran QB to go get screwed. I have no problem with it. This is about making the Washington Redskins a better team. Not a personality parade.

Donovan if you feel disrespected, how do you think the defensive team feels when you purposely throw the ball in the ground. Or take an unnecessary sack?

BTW, stop using other teams as a model that the Redskins should pattern themselves after.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

This is football, not some popularity sport. If Donovan leaves, so what? I would rather have a coach realize his weak spots on the team and take action. Let the coach set the theme, not the players, media or political correctness.

If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

If all you care about is bettering the team, how about your dear god Mike Shanahan utterly destroying the trade value of his players? And Andy Reid got rid of McNabb without this "burning the entire bridge" ****wittery between player and coach.

And seriously, you're a guy who believes that Allen really called the shots on McNabb and Shanahan just followed along because there was "no better option"? There is ALWAYS an option to simply give up a couple years to stockpile the roster with young guys to build a core, and then pounce on a young QB when the time is right.

Allen has always been a subordinate who just makes sure they don't violate the salary cap and the like. Gruden called the shots in Tampa with regards to talent picking, and Shanahan has been calling the shots for his entire in Denver, and he doesn't play second fiddle to anyone.

Lastly, McNabb's physical skillset ( at least in the past) does appear to fit what Shanahan wants out of his QB. He wants a mobile and a big armed QB because of his frequent use of play action bootlegs and deep balls.

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And separately, thanks for correcting me on the other post.

At the time of the McNabb trade, we all thought that he was a vast improvement over Campbell. Kyle knows how his play calling should be executed. In my opinion, Donovan is not always in the game. If he can run this offense but on occasions his head and body are elsewhere, then he is not the guy to run it. He may not be hungry enough. There are NO excuses for him. He should know better. Either come in and compete or let us find the right fix. This has nothing to do with GM vs HC. It's about winning and being competitive!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

At the time of the McNabb trade, we all thought that he was a vast improvement over Campbell. Kyle knows how his play calling should be executed. In my opinion, Donovan is not always in the game. If he can run this offense but on occasions his head and body are elsewhere, then he is not the guy to run it. He may not be hungry enough. There are NO excuses for him. He should know better. Either come in and compete or let us find the right fix. This has nothing to do with GM vs HC. It's about winning and being competitive!

I'm not sure what exactly this post is responding to?

It's clear you do not bother to distinguish between act of benchings, which are easily justifiable here, and the stupid leaks/explanations to the press such as him welcoming McNabb back as only a backup next season, which other experienced coaches don't leak out into the public. The media is going to spout nonsense, but Shanahan added his own fuel to the fire because he couldn't keep it to a terse "no comment" or a bit of generic cookie cutter praise such "they all just fought their guts out" and humiliated his quarterback while Andy Reid did not. The benching is not the big deal, it's the airing of dirty laundry to the media.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I'm not sure what exactly this post is responding to?

It's clear you do not bother to distinguish between act of benchings, which are easily justifiable here, and the stupid leaks/explanations to the press such as him welcoming McNabb back as only a backup next season, which other experienced coaches don't leak out into the public. The media is going to spout nonsense, but Shanahan added his own fuel to the fire because he couldn't keep it to a terse "no comment" or a bit of generic cookie cutter praise such "they all just fought their guts out" and humiliated his quarterback while Andy Reid did not. The benching is not the big deal, it's the airing of dirty laundry to the media.

Responding again to your same theme about Mike Shannahan showing bad taste in dealing with the benching of Donovan McNabb later on in the week instead of informing him in the earlier part of the same week of Shannahan's decision to go with Rex Grossman is a mute point on your part.

He is the head coach and can say and do what he wants to say, no matter what you and press think. I was surprise like many, but I did not consider it as a disrespectful move. After all, Donovan has disrespected the Redskins by pretending to be concerned about this organization. If he cares then learn everything about the nuances about this offense to make it work.

The story is not about Andy Reid or the media or the leaks coming out of Redskins Park. It's about improving the team.

I guess Shannahan is telling McNabb to kiss his ass. If Donovan does not want to play as he was billed up to be an upgrade over Campbell then sit and run the scout team, in other words, screw you Donovan. Shannahan will deal with him when the season is over.

Who gives a flying shit about the media. The media and people like you are flaming this nonsense. How do you think Sonny Jurgensen felt when he was benched? Or Vince Young? It does not matter who rides the pine but someone has to.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by juskins

Responding again to your same theme about Mike Shannahan showing bad taste in dealing with the benching of Donovan McNabb later on in the week instead of informing him in the earlier part of the same week of Shannahan's decision to go with Rex Grossman is a mute point on your part.

He is the head coach and can say and do what he wants to say, no matter what you and press think. I was surprise like many, but I did not consider it as a disrespectful move. After all, Donovan has disrespected the Redskins by pretending to be concerned about this organization. If he cares then learn everything about the nuances about this offense to make it work.

The story is not about Andy Reid or the media or the leaks coming out of Redskins Park. It's about improving the team.

I guess Shannahan is telling McNabb to kiss his ass. If Donovan does not want to play as he was billed up to be an upgrade over Campbell then sit and run the scout team, in other words, screw you Donovan. Shannahan will deal with him when the season is over.

Who gives a flying shit about the media. The media and people like you are flaming this nonsense. How do you think Sonny Jurgensen felt when he was benched? Or Vince Young? It does not matter who rides the pine but someone has to.

You keep on parroting that I have a problem with the benching itself. That's not the big problem. It's the unnecessary extracirricular comments and airing of dirty laundry. But hey, I'm sorry I offended your god and hence you have to make a strawman out of my words in order to enforce your rage. BTW, to repeat so your emotionally weak head can get it, McNabb has been underwhelming and I don't really mind the benching itself, but the extracirricular comments and the like.

So, the truth comes out. You can't stomach a head coach (a Redskins HC) telling a veteran QB to go get screwed. I have no problem with it. This is about making the Washington Redskins a better team. Not a personality parade.

Donovan if you feel disrespected, how do you think the defensive team feels when you purposely throw the ball in the ground. Or take an unnecessary sack?

BTW, stop using other teams as a model that the Redskins should pattern themselves after.

The disrespect is not from the benching itself, but rather the other public comments. Is that clear? Or are you going to continue calling me a McNabb cocksucker? McNabb isn't in the right either because he's too chicken to say the shit himself. They ALL should have kept their mouths shut and just went on with their business after the benching.

I have a feeling that you want to have a power trip and Mike Shanahan is the perfect vector for your emotions. Calling me Donovan is quite funny since I've actually got into an battle with a different member here for not praising McNabb's play this year.

And I say the Stillers know what the hell they're doing far more than we are. Santanio Holmes gets in trouble? Just ship him away and be done with it. None of these silly extracirricular media wars.



And seriously, McNabb with deliberate sabatoge? Did you even see the first Eagles game where he was saying the Eagles made a mistake? The Sheagles sure seemed offeneded enough to proceed to blow us out in the rematch.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You keep on parroting that I have a problem with the benching itself. That's not the big problem. It's the unnecessary extracirricular comments and airing of dirty laundry. But hey, I'm sorry I offended your god and hence you have to make a strawman out of my words in order to enforce your rage. BTW, to repeat so your emotionally weak head can get it, McNabb has been underwhelming and I don't really mind the benching itself, but the extracirricular comments and the like.

The disrespect is not from the benching itself, but rather the other public comments. Is that clear? Or are you going to continue calling me a McNabb cocksucker? McNabb isn't in the right either because he's too chicken to say the shit himself. They ALL should have kept their mouths shut and just went on with their business after the benching.

I have a feeling that you want to have a power trip and Mike Shanahan is the perfect vector for your emotions. Calling me Donovan is quite funny since I've actually got into an battle with a different member here for not praising McNabb's play this year.

And I say the Stillers know what the hell they're doing far more than we are. Santanio Holmes gets in trouble? Just ship him away and be done with it. None of these silly extracirricular media wars.



And seriously, McNabb with deliberate sabatoge? Did you even see the first Eagles game where he was saying the Eagles made a mistake? The Sheagles sure seemed offeneded enough to proceed to blow us out in the rematch.

Please tell me what the extracurricular remarks you are talking about? You don't get it, do you? I never called you a McNabb butt eater or whatever you said I called you. And when did I call you Donovan?

The benching and the explanations that followed by Mike are part of coaches and players trying to explain their side of the dispute. Move on.

Lets hope we win tomorrow, how's that?

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by juskins

Responding again to your same theme about Mike Shannahan showing bad taste in dealing with the benching of Donovan McNabb later on in the week instead of informing him in the earlier part of the same week of Shannahan's decision to go with Rex Grossman is a mute point on your part.

He is the head coach and can say and do what he wants to say, no matter what you and press think. I was surprise like many, but I did not consider it as a disrespectful move. After all, Donovan has disrespected the Redskins by pretending to be concerned about this organization. If he cares then learn everything about the nuances about this offense to make it work.

The story is not about Andy Reid or the media or the leaks coming out of Redskins Park. It's about improving the team.

I guess Shannahan is telling McNabb to kiss his ass. If Donovan does not want to play as he was billed up to be an upgrade over Campbell then sit and run the scout team, in other words, screw you Donovan. Shannahan will deal with him when the season is over.

Who gives a flying shit about the media. The media and people like you are flaming this nonsense. How do you think Sonny Jurgensen felt when he was benched? Or Vince Young? It does not matter who rides the pine but someone has to.

Good post.