Week 16: Redskins vs. Jaguars Gameday thread

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

How are we going to replace the guys who leave by retiring or FA? UDFA isn't going to solve everything.

You talking about amaybe 5 or 6 guys. Even if we use the picks, we not going to strike a diamond with all of them. All the good teams have 5 or 6 udfa. This is one position u got to fix.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

Forget the experts, watch him play. This guy is playing with below average wr's. He is better than any qb we have right now. Until we fix this qb thing, we always going to be a middle of the road team. We should be able to get some form of draft picks for guys like Hall, Carter, AH, and DM. This guy is made for this system.

Its one thing to draft a QB high in the 1st round but another to give up a entire draft and a 1st pick the next year to get him. not worth the risk IMO, if we dont get him its not like we are the team who passed on him

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

You talking about amaybe 5 or 6 guys. Even if we use the picks, we not going to strike a diamond with all of them. All the good teams have 5 or 6 udfa. This is one position u got to fix.

true it is a position that needs to be addressed but not at the expense of all the positions that need help too.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

Forget the experts, watch him play. This guy is playing with below average wr's. He is better than any qb we have right now. Until we fix this qb thing, we always going to be a middle of the road team. We should be able to get some form of draft picks for guys like Hall, Carter, AH, and DM. This guy is made for this system.

I hear that, but we can win the SB without Superior QB talent...ergo Theisman, Williams and Rypien. They simply had Superior O-lines.

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Its one thing to draft a QB high in the 1st round but another to give up a entire draft and a 1st pick the next year to get him. not worth the risk IMO, if we dont get him its not like we are the team who passed on him

I'm talking about three picks, hell we draft 2 wr's and a te and none of them will be a star. This is the year to do it. This draft is a waste without a 3rd and 4th round pick. With a elite qb and a stud at LT, we will on our way to a elite team. This team has a lot over paid or over rate players. It's time to cut the payroll and start over. This is the guy to do it with. I don't know if teams will be willing to trade with us. But I know one thing, the guys we have now won't cut it on winning teams.

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I hear that, but we can win the SB without Superior QB talent...ergo Theisman, Williams and Rypien. They simply had Superior O-lines.

How many of those linemen were first round picks.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

I'm talking about three picks, hell we draft 2 wr's and a te and none of them will be a star. This is the year to do it. This draft is a waste without a 3rd and 4th round pick. With a elite qb and a stud at LT, we will on our way to a elite team. This team has a lot over paid or over rate players. It's time to cut the payroll and start over. This is the guy to do it with. I don't know if teams will be willing to trade with us. But I know one thing, the guys we have now won't cut it on winning teams.

This team will still be nothing with only an elite QB and stud LT. We still need to address virtually every position on the roster with the exception of TE right now. We have very little depth and very few picks to start with. I can't believe you can say we would be on our way to an elite team with only those two positions accounted for.

Sure Luck looks like the QB of the decade. But what if he's not? What if he is only average, or a bust? Then you've set the team back years as we will have zero good draft picks and nothing to show for it going forward. This is the oldest team in the NFL. You are right it is time to cut the payroll and start over. But the way to do that is through the draft. You can't trade all your high picks like you are having a fire sale and then sit there and say AND we have to cut payroll and start over. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Impossible. Your position is like Communism. Great in theory, a terrible disaster in real world application.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

I'm talking about three picks, hell we draft 2 wr's and a te and none of them will be a star. This is the year to do it. This draft is a waste without a 3rd and 4th round pick. With a elite qb and a stud at LT, we will on our way to a elite team. This team has a lot over paid or over rate players. It's time to cut the payroll and start over. This is the guy to do it with. I don't know if teams will be willing to trade with us. But I know one thing, the guys we have now won't cut it on winning teams.

yeah 3 high picks. no more wasting them. i saw some good things out of the young guys today. bryant looks like he can be serviceable NT. Rob Jackson played good, Perry Riley too, and we still have Henson who was a beast in the preseason ( i know the preseason doesnt mean anything). lets try to stock pile some picks maybe trade davis or cooley who ever garners more interest, paulsen is a decent backup TE. lets build with a good quanity of draft picks. let this front office and coach build there team it has only been one year. if after 3 years we are still a 5-11 or 6-10 team then lets freak out.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

How many of those linemen were first round picks.

I don't know?
BUT I can tell you regardless of who plays behind this line, we have no chance at success...UNTIL that changes. We do not need to mortgage our future. We need to build the Hogs2 and we will have a running and passing game to contend with.
A QB....ANY qb cannot do that alone

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

This team will still be nothing with only an elite QB and stud LT. We still need to address virtually every position on the roster with the exception of TE right now. We have very little depth and very few picks to start with. I can't believe you can say we would be on our way to an elite team with only those two positions accounted for.

Sure Luck looks like the QB of the decade. But what if he's not? What if he is only average, or a bust? Then you've set the team back years as we will have zero good draft picks and nothing to show for it going forward. This is the oldest team in the NFL. You are right it is time to cut the payroll and start over. But the way to do that is through the draft. You can't trade all your high picks like you are having a fire sale and then sit there and say AND we have to cut payroll and start over. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Impossible. Your position is like Communism. Great in theory, a terrible disaster in real world application.

totally agree if he is there when we pick then i dont have a problem picking him, but not giving up so much to get a guy who could be a bust.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Bigreds77

Like others he came to the Skins to retire a millionaire.Maybe you should watch more games.He does have a nice smile after a bad pass though.

Maybe you should answer the question. Even if what you said is true (which its not) how does that make him a cancer? Haynesworth is a cancer, to group McNabb in there with him is just stupid.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Bigreds77

Like others he came to the Skins to retire a millionaire.Maybe you should watch more games.He does have a nice smile after a bad pass though.

But what if you watched all the games and already determined McNabb is not a cancer? U callin me steerpid boy?

I totally agree McNabb is a cancer though. I heard a secret report that said all the players near his locker have suffered low white blood cell counts ever since he arrived. Sounds like cancer to me.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I don't know?
BUT I can tell you regardless of who plays behind this line, we have no chance at success...UNTIL that changes. We do not need to mortgage our future. We need to build the Hogs2 and we will have a running and passing game to contend with.
A QB....ANY qb cannot do that alone

Suddenly we're not one player away but apparently an offensive line away from winning a Super Bowl. The problem with the last regime was total neglect so understandably the fan base wanted the team to start actually trying to acquire talent up front. However the fan base has now gotten to the point where we're overcompensating. So rather then trying to take a balanced approach to building a team suddenly we have to stop everything and build an offensive line with early picks, even if it means passing up a potential franchise QB in the draft or acquiring players to fit a new defensive scheme, because apparently every elite QB in the league has this unbreakable pocket that never puts them under pressure with running lanes you can drive a pickup truck through.

For God sakes 6 new players this off season including freaking bookends. And yet we're still under the impression that the front office is ignoring the offensive lines. Especially since they're considering committing the ultimate sin, drafting a first round QB instead of a Guard.

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

This team will still be nothing with only an elite QB and stud LT. We still need to address virtually every position on the roster with the exception of TE right now. We have very little depth and very few picks to start with. I can't believe you can say we would be on our way to an elite team with only those two positions accounted for.

Sure Luck looks like the QB of the decade. But what if he's not? What if he is only average, or a bust? Then you've set the team back years as we will have zero good draft picks and nothing to show for it going forward. This is the oldest team in the NFL. You are right it is time to cut the payroll and start over. But the way to do that is through the draft. You can't trade all your high picks like you are having a fire sale and then sit there and say AND we have to cut payroll and start over. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Impossible. Your position is like Communism. Great in theory, a terrible disaster in real world application.

But what if he is, it only set us back one year in the draft(this year). This time next year we will be looking at the same thing. It's only three or four picks. This team will not be a a playoff team every year until you address the qb. If you bring a young qb, it's time to cut payroll and start over. The coaches have a lot of players who either don't or will not fit their system. So next year will be a rebuilding year anyway. Why not fix this position now, and build from their. No team builds compete through the draft. Not one team in the league has players on their team that they only drafted.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

But what if he is, it only set us back one year in the draft(this year). This time next year we will be looking at the same thing. It's only three or four picks. This team will not be a a playoff team every year until you address the qb. If you bring a young qb, it's time to cut payroll and start over. The coaches have a lot of players who either don't or will not fit their system. So next year will be a rebuilding year anyway. Why not fix this position now, and build from their. No team builds compete through the draft. Not one team in the league has players on their team that they only drafted.

look at the good teams in the league. Pats, Ravens, Steelers, Colts, Packers, Falcons, and Eagles. they build through the draft and add cheap and reasonable FA's thats how you win in the NFL. if Luck is available when we pick then i dont have a problem. cant give up all those draft picks for a QB who will get beat up and have no weapons or a defense the can stop people.