Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011

[skinsfaninok]

Hall
Orakpo
Landry
Williams
Armstrong
Torain
Banks
Fletcher (HOF In my book)
F.Davis (like to trade him though)
Cooley

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Hall
Orakpo
Landry
Williams
Armstrong
Torain
Banks
Fletcher (HOF In my book)
F.Davis (like to trade him though)
Cooley

I agree with you that in a world of perfect knowledge, Fletcher is a hall of fame caliber linebacker. But the flawed methodology used by a lot of hall of fame voters relies heavily on pro bowls and all-pro votes. And, perhaps wrongly, Fletcher didn't collect a lot of those otherwise meaningless awards. So he won't get down to a hall of fame finalists list.

But this guy has had a fantastic career, and his consecutive starts streak is more impressive than that of any quarterback. And as far as pure effectiveness goes, he's more effective now than Brett Favre was at a similar point in his career.

[skinsfaninok]

I agree with your 20 except CP, I'm ready for him to go

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I agree with your 20 except CP, I'm ready for him to go

It's really a CP or Torain for the RB spot for the guy who doesn't play special teams. Can't afford to roster both.

I presume most will choose Torain, based on youth, and his yard production from this season. Portis is WAY more expensive, up around $8 million for next year. But Torain also might not be a pro-back in my opinion. He has poor vision, and while I think he can get a lot better as a blocker, he's just not very good right now. He's the kind of player you want to get in the open field with the football because he doesn't waste movement, but he's more of a package player than an every down back. There's a designation for package players who don't contribute special teams, it's called "waived."

Portis is a fantastic blocker and a much better runner than Torain is. He's not nearly as good in the open field. And for $8 million, that a tough sell to keep a guy. But he can still, at age 30, be the lead back in our offensive attack. So I'd like to see him back for that reason. We're an above average offense with Clinton Portis. We're a below average offense with Ryan Torain. That, to me, is worth a $8 million price tag.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree with you that in a world of perfect knowledge, Fletcher is a hall of fame caliber linebacker. But the flawed methodology used by a lot of hall of fame voters relies heavily on pro bowls and all-pro votes. And, perhaps wrongly, Fletcher didn't collect a lot of those otherwise meaningless awards. So he won't get down to a hall of fame finalists list.

But this guy has had a fantastic career, and his consecutive starts streak is more impressive than that of any quarterback. And as far as pure effectiveness goes, he's more effective now than Brett Favre was at a similar point in his career.

GTripp:

The "flawed methodoloogy" also relies heavily on winning - - expeciallly when it comes to QBs on offense and MLBs on defense. Fletcher's years in Buffalo and Washington will not help his cause for the HoF - - unless he breaks Favre's record for consecutive starts.

Go look at the MLBs - - or the OLBs in a 3-4 alignment - - who are in the Hall of Fame now. Is Fletcher really as good as any of them? I don't think so...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

GTripp:

The "flawed methodoloogy" also relies heavily on winning - - expeciallly when it comes to QBs on offense and MLBs on defense. Fletcher's years in Buffalo and Washington will not help his cause for the HoF - - unless he breaks Favre's record for consecutive starts.

Go look at the MLBs - - or the OLBs in a 3-4 alignment - - who are in the Hall of Fame now. Is Fletcher really as good as any of them? I don't think so...

Well, Harry Carson just went into the hall of fame. He was a 9 time pro bowler, but was never once an AP All-pro. Fletcher is going to retire with just as many All-pro selections, but the many difference between them is pro bowl selections.

That's probably more of a New York-centric bias than a measurable gap in on field contribution. It didn't hurt that Carson's teams won more...but if he played for Seattle and won just as much as he did, no one would consider him a hall of famer. Even though he's pretty deserving. Just the benefit of playing home games in New York.