Offseason Shopping

Jontrem · 01-31-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

You are leaving out a very important part of the equation. In Atlanta Vick was a run first guy. He locked onto one receiver and if it wasn't there or wasn't an easy throw he would pull it down and use his legs to improvise. In Philly, he has shown that he can be a dual threat, running when he needs to, but also using the pocket a lot more, moving up and making throws. Even with good accuracy. That is apart of his game he did not have in Atlanta. Big difference. IMO he is going to be harder to defend against now more than he ever was in Atlanta.

I would agree that he is less of a run first QB now, but I still don't think he will ever be a QB who can sit back there and win alot of games from the pocket. I will say that he clearly has improved his accuracy and touch but if (and thats a sizeable if) you can contain him in the pocket than he doesnt scare me much more than any NFL QB.

Good points in your post by the way

GTripp0012 · 01-31-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Totally disagree. It was his first year starting and look how good he was. He gets a full off season ( if there is one) of camps and so forth, to work on his game. I'd expect him to get better. He can be as good as he wants, if he keeps his nose clean.

I think he really showed some bad habits at the end of the season, once the cumulative effect of pressure and QB hits started to wear on him. Vick is comfortably better than Kolb at the current moment, but they lost to a bad Vikings team and they lost, in part, because of dreadful offense -- at the QB position. They win that game and the next one...and we're probably talking about an all-Pennsylvania SB with the Eagles owning that first round bye and such.

I don't think the Eagles expect Vick to save them from all their other team flaws, only to be the best quarterback he can be. I think the vertical passing is always going to be there and that Vick fits this offense much better than he ever fit the Atlanta offense, but I also don't think Vick is capable of playing 16-18 games or holding a starting job for 18 games in 2012. I think he just has too many bad habits for NFC DCs to prey on.

freddyg12 · 01-31-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

The Eagles will regret keeping Vick over Kolb. Vick will never take them beyond where they went this year. IMO, they should have tried to move Vick as his stock will never be higher than it is now,

I think they're in a position where they almost have to keep Vick, even if the end of the year didn't go so well. But, I agree w/you that they will regret letting Kolb walk, it that's what happens. Who will backup Vick?

The iggles are always financially savvy & frugal, but w/Vick as your starter you are really going to need a good backup. I say that for 2 reasons; he gets hurt every year & is likely to get seriously hurt enough to miss sevral weeks, or he will fumble/throw picks when a good defense has his number. I could see him getting benched in favor of Kolb next year regardless of injury. If I were A. Reid I would want Kolb on the sideline. I know Kolb wants to start & I guess they're pre-empting a qb controversy by looking to trade him. Or maybe they're setting the price way high so that no one bites, yet they can tell him they tried.

tryfuhl · 01-31-2011, 09:17 AM

Vick is a free agent, can't really move him unless they NBA style extend then trade him. I wouldn't be surprised if his shelf life of the success that he saw for most of this year is somewhat short but who knows.

tdSKINS1 · 01-31-2011, 11:22 AM

How can Vick not get it done in the playoffs? You all said he was a worse QB in Atlanta but he took them to the NFC title game. He beat Brett Farve at Green Bay. I do believe Vick can get it done in the playoffs.

redsk1 · 01-31-2011, 12:55 PM

Not that I would do it, but I trust Kolb will be pretty good. This is not news, but Andy Reid has a pretty good eye for talent and most importantly how to use that talent. They got rid of DM b/c they thought Kolb was better than him. It just so happened that MV got on the field and they couldn't take him out.

I think Kolb will be very good on the right team. On our team the OL would get him killed.

diehardskin2982 · 01-31-2011, 02:07 PM

Hopefully Champ can have a career track similar to Charles Woodson. I know he is a big fan of Bob Slowick, maybe that will play in as a factor to his return. Not to mention Vinny is gone. I know he had some personal issues in DC but maybe he has matured since then.

I'd also like to see us make a run at Vincent Jackson

dmek25 · 01-31-2011, 02:14 PM

how can anyone take this thread seriously when it starts out with bring back Bailey? he left because he didnt want to be here. and is definitely on the down side of his career

wilsowilso · 01-31-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

how can anyone take this thread seriously when it starts out with bring back Bailey? he left because he didnt want to be here. and is definitely on the down side of his career

The fanbase was subjected to such extreme clownish and idiotic behavior from Redskins management for such an extended period of time that invariably many smart and loyal fans became stupefied without even knowing it.

Son Of Man · 01-31-2011, 02:56 PM

I'd take Champ Bailey back...at the right price. I think the comparison to him and Charles Woodson is plausible. Would be an upgrade over Los and might cost virtually the same.

backrow · 01-31-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I'd take Champ Bailey back...at the right price. I think the comparison to him and Charles Woodson is plausible. Would be an upgrade over Los and might cost virtually the same.

Can we trade CP and get both Champ and a 2nd rounder?

Monkeydad · 01-31-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by backrow

Can we trade CP and get both Champ and a 2nd rounder?

Not a bad idea...really.

diehardskin2982 · 01-31-2011, 03:45 PM

Dmek, he was traded because the management chose to pay Lavar Arrington over Bailey. If we would have paid him top dollar he would of stayed here. He didn't leave because of free will, he was traded.

I think you are undervaluing talent if you think he has slipped that far.

MonkFan4Life · 02-01-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Dmek, he was traded because the management chose to pay Lavar Arrington over Bailey. If we would have paid him top dollar he would of stayed here. He didn't leave because of free will, he was traded.

I think you are undervaluing talent if you think he has slipped that far.

He was traded because when Joe Gibbs got here he asked who all wanted to go. Champ said that he'd rather leave because he got tired of the changes. He could've gotten his money here, but he was ready to leave which worked out because this team needed a running back at the time. So believe me it was because of free will, the team just gave him what he wanted and that was a change of scenery.

JoeRedskin · 01-31-2011, 04:04 PM

^^ I think he wanted out and, unless we payed him double his free market value, he was not coming back. Yeah, we traded him but only 'cause if we didn't we going to get nothing for him.

01-31-2011, 09:17 AM	#4
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: Offseason Shopping Vick is a free agent, can't really move him unless they NBA style extend then trade him. I wouldn't be surprised if his shelf life of the success that he saw for most of this year is somewhat short but who knows. __________________ http://www.twitter.com/RedskinsRT

01-31-2011, 11:22 AM	#5
tdSKINS1 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Altavista Virginia Age: 36 Posts: 712	Re: Offseason Shopping How can Vick not get it done in the playoffs? You all said he was a worse QB in Atlanta but he took them to the NFC title game. He beat Brett Farve at Green Bay. I do believe Vick can get it done in the playoffs. __________________ #21 Never Forget HOKIES!

01-31-2011, 12:55 PM	#6
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Offseason Shopping Not that I would do it, but I trust Kolb will be pretty good. This is not news, but Andy Reid has a pretty good eye for talent and most importantly how to use that talent. They got rid of DM b/c they thought Kolb was better than him. It just so happened that MV got on the field and they couldn't take him out. I think Kolb will be very good on the right team. On our team the OL would get him killed.

01-31-2011, 02:07 PM	#7
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Offseason Shopping Hopefully Champ can have a career track similar to Charles Woodson. I know he is a big fan of Bob Slowick, maybe that will play in as a factor to his return. Not to mention Vinny is gone. I know he had some personal issues in DC but maybe he has matured since then. I'd also like to see us make a run at Vincent Jackson __________________ That got ugly fast

01-31-2011, 02:14 PM	#8
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Offseason Shopping how can anyone take this thread seriously when it starts out with bring back Bailey? he left because he didnt want to be here. and is definitely on the down side of his career __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-31-2011, 02:56 PM	#10
Son Of Man Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 643	Re: Offseason Shopping I'd take Champ Bailey back...at the right price. I think the comparison to him and Charles Woodson is plausible. Would be an upgrade over Los and might cost virtually the same. __________________ RG3 or bust!!!!!!!!!!

01-31-2011, 03:45 PM	#13
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Offseason Shopping Dmek, he was traded because the management chose to pay Lavar Arrington over Bailey. If we would have paid him top dollar he would of stayed here. He didn't leave because of free will, he was traded. I think you are undervaluing talent if you think he has slipped that far. __________________ That got ugly fast

01-31-2011, 04:04 PM	#15
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Offseason Shopping ^^ I think he wanted out and, unless we payed him double his free market value, he was not coming back. Yeah, we traded him but only 'cause if we didn't we going to get nothing for him. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

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