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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

The Eagles will regret keeping Vick over Kolb. Vick will never take them beyond where they went this year. IMO, they should have tried to move Vick as his stock will never be higher than it is now,

Totally disagree. It was his first year starting and look how good he was. He gets a full off season ( if there is one) of camps and so forth, to work on his game. I'd expect him to get better. He can be as good as he wants, if he keeps his nose clean.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Totally disagree. It was his first year starting and look how good he was. He gets a full off season ( if there is one) of camps and so forth, to work on his game. I'd expect him to get better. He can be as good as he wants, if he keeps his nose clean.

I think there is a reverse side to that coin though. For 3 years no defense in the NFL had to face a player like Vick (Young wasn't/isnt as talented as Vick is) but won't teams eventually start to "figure out" or remember how to defend him more efficiently again? Looking at his stats from the beginning to the end of the year (excluding the game against us of course) there was a drop off in performance, not a huge one but certainly a noticeable drop off.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

I think there is a reverse side to that coin though. For 3 years no defense in the NFL had to face a player like Vick (Young wasn't/isnt as talented as Vick is) but won't teams eventually start to "figure out" or remember how to defend him more efficiently again? Looking at his stats from the beginning to the end of the year (excluding the game against us of course) there was a drop off in performance, not a huge one but certainly a noticeable drop off.

You are leaving out a very important part of the equation. In Atlanta Vick was a run first guy. He locked onto one receiver and if it wasn't there or wasn't an easy throw he would pull it down and use his legs to improvise. In Philly, he has shown that he can be a dual threat, running when he needs to, but also using the pocket a lot more, moving up and making throws. Even with good accuracy. That is apart of his game he did not have in Atlanta. Big difference. IMO he is going to be harder to defend against now more than he ever was in Atlanta.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

You are leaving out a very important part of the equation. In Atlanta Vick was a run first guy. He locked onto one receiver and if it wasn't there or wasn't an easy throw he would pull it down and use his legs to improvise. In Philly, he has shown that he can be a dual threat, running when he needs to, but also using the pocket a lot more, moving up and making throws. Even with good accuracy. That is apart of his game he did not have in Atlanta. Big difference. IMO he is going to be harder to defend against now more than he ever was in Atlanta.

Vick is still a run first guy but he hides it better now than in the past. Vick is a nice regular season QB but when the playoff come around and the defenses tighten up Vick shows that he cant get it done.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

You are leaving out a very important part of the equation. In Atlanta Vick was a run first guy. He locked onto one receiver and if it wasn't there or wasn't an easy throw he would pull it down and use his legs to improvise. In Philly, he has shown that he can be a dual threat, running when he needs to, but also using the pocket a lot more, moving up and making throws. Even with good accuracy. That is apart of his game he did not have in Atlanta. Big difference. IMO he is going to be harder to defend against now more than he ever was in Atlanta.

I would agree that he is less of a run first QB now, but I still don't think he will ever be a QB who can sit back there and win alot of games from the pocket. I will say that he clearly has improved his accuracy and touch but if (and thats a sizeable if) you can contain him in the pocket than he doesnt scare me much more than any NFL QB.

Good points in your post by the way

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Totally disagree. It was his first year starting and look how good he was. He gets a full off season ( if there is one) of camps and so forth, to work on his game. I'd expect him to get better. He can be as good as he wants, if he keeps his nose clean.

I think he really showed some bad habits at the end of the season, once the cumulative effect of pressure and QB hits started to wear on him. Vick is comfortably better than Kolb at the current moment, but they lost to a bad Vikings team and they lost, in part, because of dreadful offense -- at the QB position. They win that game and the next one...and we're probably talking about an all-Pennsylvania SB with the Eagles owning that first round bye and such.

I don't think the Eagles expect Vick to save them from all their other team flaws, only to be the best quarterback he can be. I think the vertical passing is always going to be there and that Vick fits this offense much better than he ever fit the Atlanta offense, but I also don't think Vick is capable of playing 16-18 games or holding a starting job for 18 games in 2012. I think he just has too many bad habits for NFC DCs to prey on.