Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades

sportscurmudgeon · 02-07-2011, 09:13 PM

In the 2005 draft, the Redskins were looking for a young QB early in Gibbs 2.0.

With the 9th pick in the draft, they took Carlos Rogers. That was better than taking Roy Rogers (who was clinically dead in 2005) but they missed on Aaron Rodgers who went at #24 in the draft.

What is interesting is that the Redskins scurried to trade up at that point to secure Jason Campbell as the #25 pick.

Homer Simpson says it best ...

Alvin Walton · 02-07-2011, 09:17 PM

Coulda woulda shoulda.........

Daseal · 02-07-2011, 09:31 PM

I'm a strong believer that along with a players physical skills, it is important that they're a good fit in the system/culture. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers would be as effective here in DC. In GB he has an offense that fits him well, arguably the best WRs in the league, and free reign. He also had the chance to sit and learn for a couple years.

If he were tossed into the fire in DC with a huge playbook, one of the worst set of WRs in the league, and a revolving door at coordinator and HC I'm not so sure he'd be seen in the same light today.

This isn't me trying to take something away from Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted in GB and has done a fantastic job. I feel that is true for every player.

Dirtbag59 · 02-07-2011, 09:35 PM

I'm not sure that Aaron Rodgers was the type that could have gone to any team and succeeded. In other words, had San Fran taken him number one overall I'm not sure if he would not be in the same situation as Alex Smith.

To me Ryan, Peyton, Rivers, and Freeman are among the few QB's that have proven to me that they could have succeeded virtually anywhere, in any system. I'm pretty sure that Rodgers as a Redskin would have been in trouble had he not hit his stride before Gibbs left. Still we'll never know.

tryfuhl · 02-07-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm a strong believer that along with a players physical skills, it is important that they're a good fit in the system/culture. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers would be as effective here in DC. In GB he has an offense that fits him well, arguably the best WRs in the league, and free reign. He also had the chance to sit and learn for a couple years.

If he were tossed into the fire in DC with a huge playbook, one of the worst set of WRs in the league, and a revolving door at coordinator and HC I'm not so sure he'd be seen in the same light today.

This isn't me trying to take something away from Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted in GB and has done a fantastic job. I feel that is true for every player.

Campbell also got to sit and learn for a bit. Not saying he had the best of weapons but CP was on fire. There was a lot that went into the lack of success during that part though.

Daseal · 02-07-2011, 10:01 PM

Tryfuhl -- You're absolutely right. I'm not saying that any players production is completely their own doing. Certainly a great part of success is personal skills/drive. I'm just trying to say I think fit and the team atmosphere contribute greatly to the success/failure of a player.

I would love to be able to see Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning switch places just to see what would happen. Maybe Peyton would be the stud and Leaf would flop. Maybe they both would have been okay. Impossible to know.

Just trying to make the point that physical skills and drive alone don't make a player a star. It also requires system, atmosphere, surrounding cast, etc.

tryfuhl · 02-07-2011, 10:10 PM

No doubt, hard to think how successful some people might have been had they been in different situations. What if Bledsoe stayed hot and Brady became the next Todd Collins? What if Todd Collins actually started?

I have faith that he'd do well on nearly any team though, he's a capable QB without a glaring weak spot.. he's been one of the most sacked QBs, longevity would be my only concern.

Hog1 · 02-07-2011, 10:20 PM

I believe 22 other teams are singing the same blues......

Ruhskins · 02-07-2011, 10:52 PM

Given our track record in developing QBs and Vinny's terrible record in acquiring good players, none of this would have mattered.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 02-08-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

I believe 22 other teams are singing the same blues......

100% agree.

Longtimefan · 02-08-2011, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm a strong believer that along with a players physical skills, it is important that they're a good fit in the system/culture. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers would be as effective here in DC. In GB he has an offense that fits him well, arguably the best WRs in the league, and free reign. He also had the chance to sit and learn for a couple years.

If he were tossed into the fire in DC with a huge playbook, one of the worst set of WRs in the league, and a revolving door at coordinator and HC I'm not so sure he'd be seen in the same light today.

This isn't me trying to take something away from Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted in GB and has done a fantastic job. I feel that is true for every player.

I agree.!!

mredskins · 02-08-2011, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog1

I believe 22 other teams are singing the same blues......

it is what it is. and in my mind he probably done no better then JC with the staff we had in place.

MTK · 02-08-2011, 08:32 AM

Let's worry about finding our own Rodgers rather than crying over what could have been.

A lot of teams passed over him.

Longtimefan · 02-08-2011, 08:38 AM

"That which is past and gone is irrevocable, wise men have more to do with time and things yet to come".

somebody just made that up.

redsk1 · 02-08-2011, 09:08 AM

I think the thing that makes it worse is our overall draft ineptitude for a long time. Yes, Rodgers, would have been nice, but alot of teams missed. Barring the last 2 drafts, our drafts have been disasters though as that's what makes you mad.

But, hey, we've got a GM now and a good coach. I think we'll do alot better in the coming years.

GB, though, has done it right. If you look at their draft history for say the last 5 years, they pick up at a minimum of 2 solid players each draft on average. That's two starters at a minimum. Sure, they've had some misses too, but when you have 8-10 picks on average you can miss some.

I'm a firm believer if you want to be successful, you've got to first look to see what the successful ones are doing. I think our new GM knows this.

02-07-2011, 09:13 PM	#1
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades In the 2005 draft, the Redskins were looking for a young QB early in Gibbs 2.0. With the 9th pick in the draft, they took Carlos Rogers. That was better than taking Roy Rogers (who was clinically dead in 2005) but they missed on Aaron Rodgers who went at #24 in the draft. What is interesting is that the Redskins scurried to trade up at that point to secure Jason Campbell as the #25 pick. Homer Simpson says it best ... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-07-2011, 09:31 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades I'm a strong believer that along with a players physical skills, it is important that they're a good fit in the system/culture. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers would be as effective here in DC. In GB he has an offense that fits him well, arguably the best WRs in the league, and free reign. He also had the chance to sit and learn for a couple years. If he were tossed into the fire in DC with a huge playbook, one of the worst set of WRs in the league, and a revolving door at coordinator and HC I'm not so sure he'd be seen in the same light today. This isn't me trying to take something away from Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted in GB and has done a fantastic job. I feel that is true for every player. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

02-07-2011, 09:35 PM	#4
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades I'm not sure that Aaron Rodgers was the type that could have gone to any team and succeeded. In other words, had San Fran taken him number one overall I'm not sure if he would not be in the same situation as Alex Smith. To me Ryan, Peyton, Rivers, and Freeman are among the few QB's that have proven to me that they could have succeeded virtually anywhere, in any system. I'm pretty sure that Rodgers as a Redskin would have been in trouble had he not hit his stride before Gibbs left. Still we'll never know. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

02-07-2011, 10:01 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades Tryfuhl -- You're absolutely right. I'm not saying that any players production is completely their own doing. Certainly a great part of success is personal skills/drive. I'm just trying to say I think fit and the team atmosphere contribute greatly to the success/failure of a player. I would love to be able to see Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning switch places just to see what would happen. Maybe Peyton would be the stud and Leaf would flop. Maybe they both would have been okay. Impossible to know. Just trying to make the point that physical skills and drive alone don't make a player a star. It also requires system, atmosphere, surrounding cast, etc. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

02-07-2011, 10:10 PM	#7
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades No doubt, hard to think how successful some people might have been had they been in different situations. What if Bledsoe stayed hot and Brady became the next Todd Collins? What if Todd Collins actually started? I have faith that he'd do well on nearly any team though, he's a capable QB without a glaring weak spot.. he's been one of the most sacked QBs, longevity would be my only concern. __________________ http://www.twitter.com/RedskinsRT

02-07-2011, 09:17 PM	#2
Alvin Walton Pro Bowl Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 5,741	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades Coulda woulda shoulda......... __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968

02-07-2011, 10:20 PM	#8
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades I believe 22 other teams are singing the same blues...... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

02-07-2011, 10:52 PM	#9
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,378	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades Given our track record in developing QBs and Vinny's terrible record in acquiring good players, none of this would have mattered. __________________ R.I.P. #21

02-08-2011, 08:32 AM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,835	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades Let's worry about finding our own Rodgers rather than crying over what could have been. A lot of teams passed over him. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-08-2011, 08:38 AM	#14
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades "That which is past and gone is irrevocable, wise men have more to do with time and things yet to come". somebody just made that up. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

02-08-2011, 09:08 AM	#15
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades I think the thing that makes it worse is our overall draft ineptitude for a long time. Yes, Rodgers, would have been nice, but alot of teams missed. Barring the last 2 drafts, our drafts have been disasters though as that's what makes you mad. But, hey, we've got a GM now and a good coach. I think we'll do alot better in the coming years. GB, though, has done it right. If you look at their draft history for say the last 5 years, they pick up at a minimum of 2 solid players each draft on average. That's two starters at a minimum. Sure, they've had some misses too, but when you have 8-10 picks on average you can miss some. I'm a firm believer if you want to be successful, you've got to first look to see what the successful ones are doing. I think our new GM knows this.

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