Close Only Counts In Horseshoes and Hand Grenades

[Daseal]

Tryfuhl -- You're absolutely right. I'm not saying that any players production is completely their own doing. Certainly a great part of success is personal skills/drive. I'm just trying to say I think fit and the team atmosphere contribute greatly to the success/failure of a player.

I would love to be able to see Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning switch places just to see what would happen. Maybe Peyton would be the stud and Leaf would flop. Maybe they both would have been okay. Impossible to know.

Just trying to make the point that physical skills and drive alone don't make a player a star. It also requires system, atmosphere, surrounding cast, etc.