Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears?

irish · 04-21-2005, 02:35 PM

Malcolm, could you please clue me in on what teams have more controversy than the skins?

Also, when dedicated fans (like the one on this site) cage their arguements with "but at least" or "but as long as", then its obvious all is not well in redskinland.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 02:43 PM

Just a few examples are teams like the Titans, Seahawks, Raiders, Eagles... There are too many to count.

irish · 04-21-2005, 03:06 PM

I agree that every team has personnel issues they are dealing with at draft time but what I want to know is what teams have the combo of player problems and FO cross-talk. I really think there are none as screwed up as the skins are right now..

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 03:09 PM

It may just be me, but I'm not really going to judge until the MANDATORY workouts happen and we'll see who shows up. I'm disappointed Taylor isn't there and pissed that Moss isn't there. I feel Moss is the real problem. He is simply contract-based. Arrington's stuff will blow over like usual and I think that Taylor will show up no questions asked.

Personally I'd hate to be in the Eagles situation more than anything.

SkinsRock · 04-21-2005, 03:26 PM

You know, if you are respected, you can't really sneak up on people can you? Gibbs is a smart guy....maybe he is using this to his advantage, as in if the other teams perceive us a joke, they will not prepare as hard when it comes time to play, and we will win more games and become this years "surprise team." Just a thought...

As for Moss and Taylor, it is dissappointing, but nothing to really worry about. Now when the miss madatory workouts or minicamp, that's a different story.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 03:27 PM

Look at the Chargers last year...

They didn't play AMAZING defense like we do and had less "weapons" on offense than we do.

What is the difference between us and them?

SkinsRock · 04-21-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Look at the Chargers last year...

They didn't play AMAZING defense like we do and had less "weapons" on offense than we do.

What is the difference between us and them?

Hmmm....a veteran coach, young QB that hasn't yet reached his potential, stud RB, no true top tier WR, great D, etc......I dunno...maybe we're on to something?!?

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-21-2005, 03:37 PM

Yup.... no difference at all.

I like our chances.

sportscurmudgeon · 04-21-2005, 03:51 PM

Folks:

The media is not out to get the Redskins or the Redskins' FO. Imagine for a moment a situation where:

1. Andy Reid announces that he really wants 100% participation in the voluntary off season sessions from the Eagles. [Gibbs did that; no one had a gun in his mouth forcing him to do that.]

2. Eagles' FO has an arbitration hearing on a grievance staring them in the face from Brian Dawkins - - their perennial All-Pro defender. [Skins have that happening.]

3. Terrell Owens wanted out of his contract and the Eagles' FO found a way to delay the process such that it cost them the maximum salary cap hit for the team AND then traded him for a lesser WR who is holding out to get a new contract. [Compare and contrast with LC and S. Moss.]

4. Voluntary workouts are held and 3 Eagles decide to skip the sessions and work out on their own and their names are McNabb, Kearse and Westbrook. [I know they aren't all "working out together with their buds in Miami" like the Skins' absentees are, but think about it...]

Don't you think the media would be asking the question, "What the hell are those people doing there in Philly?"

Well, that's not so far off from what's been going on here. Except the Eagles have been in the Super Bowl and/or the NFC Championship Game for the last four years while the Redskins have been sitting at home with their thumbs up their collective butts for the last four Januarys.

As Ricky Ricardo used to say to Lucy, this FO here has a "lot of 'splainin to do".

irish · 04-22-2005, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

It may just be me, but I'm not really going to judge until the MANDATORY workouts happen and we'll see who shows up. I'm disappointed Taylor isn't there and pissed that Moss isn't there. I feel Moss is the real problem. He is simply contract-based. Arrington's stuff will blow over like usual and I think that Taylor will show up no questions asked.

Personally I'd hate to be in the Eagles situation more than anything.

Lets compare the Eagles situation to the Redskins:
Eagles: 4 straight NFC cahmpionship game appearances, NFC Champ 2004, SB appearance last year.

Redskins: One playoff appearance in 14 years.

Yes, the Eagles sound in dire straights. It must have been awful to have been an Eagle fan these last few years.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-22-2005, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

Lets compare the Eagles situation to the Redskins:
Eagles: 4 straight NFC cahmpionship game appearances, NFC Champ 2004, SB appearance last year.

Redskins: One playoff appearance in 14 years.

Yes, the Eagles sound in dire straights. It must have been awful to have been an Eagle fan these last few years.

You asked about controversy, not records.

You have to compare apples to apples.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 04-22-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I wouldn't go so far as to say total disarray. 99% of all players are participating in the offseason workouts. The problem is, the headlines don't say, "Offseason Workouts Going Great for Skins". Typically most news is bad news. I would definitely agree with what Gibbs has said in saying that we are on the lower end of teams with personnel problems. It's all about taking what the media says with a grain of salt until we hear the facts (or semblance of).

And honestly... how many people would read (or believe) an article like "offseason workouts going great for skins"? It wouldn't sell newspapers like "Arrington blames staff for physical woes" or "Snyder Threatens Coles with Season Long Benching". Ho-Hum feel good stories do not generate the interest or debate that muckraking, half-truth/half-rumor stories will stir.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-22-2005, 10:37 AM

Exactly.

irish · 04-22-2005, 10:41 AM

Based on the last 4 years, any controversy surrounding the Eagles would, to me, be much easier to swallow.

The Redskins on the otherhand have done nothing in 14 years and all this FO wheel-spinning and player whining gets very hard to put up with. The bottom line is the Redskins are now viewed league wide as a joke and are very heavily mortgaged against the good will of their increadibly loyal fans. They better win and they better do it quick or else their fans may foreclose on that mortgage.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-22-2005, 10:42 AM

We Redskins fans die incredibly hard. I really don't know what it would take for me to stop being a freak about them.

04-21-2005, 02:35 PM	#16
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? Malcolm, could you please clue me in on what teams have more controversy than the skins? Also, when dedicated fans (like the one on this site) cage their arguements with "but at least" or "but as long as", then its obvious all is not well in redskinland.

04-21-2005, 02:43 PM	#17
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? Just a few examples are teams like the Titans, Seahawks, Raiders, Eagles... There are too many to count. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 03:06 PM	#18
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? I agree that every team has personnel issues they are dealing with at draft time but what I want to know is what teams have the combo of player problems and FO cross-talk. I really think there are none as screwed up as the skins are right now..

04-21-2005, 03:09 PM	#19
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? It may just be me, but I'm not really going to judge until the MANDATORY workouts happen and we'll see who shows up. I'm disappointed Taylor isn't there and pissed that Moss isn't there. I feel Moss is the real problem. He is simply contract-based. Arrington's stuff will blow over like usual and I think that Taylor will show up no questions asked. Personally I'd hate to be in the Eagles situation more than anything. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 03:26 PM	#20
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? You know, if you are respected, you can't really sneak up on people can you? Gibbs is a smart guy....maybe he is using this to his advantage, as in if the other teams perceive us a joke, they will not prepare as hard when it comes time to play, and we will win more games and become this years "surprise team." Just a thought... As for Moss and Taylor, it is dissappointing, but nothing to really worry about. Now when the miss madatory workouts or minicamp, that's a different story.

04-21-2005, 03:27 PM	#21
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? Look at the Chargers last year... They didn't play AMAZING defense like we do and had less "weapons" on offense than we do. What is the difference between us and them? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 03:37 PM	#23
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? Yup.... no difference at all. I like our chances. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-21-2005, 03:51 PM	#24
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? Folks: The media is not out to get the Redskins or the Redskins' FO. Imagine for a moment a situation where: 1. Andy Reid announces that he really wants 100% participation in the voluntary off season sessions from the Eagles. [Gibbs did that; no one had a gun in his mouth forcing him to do that.] 2. Eagles' FO has an arbitration hearing on a grievance staring them in the face from Brian Dawkins - - their perennial All-Pro defender. [Skins have that happening.] 3. Terrell Owens wanted out of his contract and the Eagles' FO found a way to delay the process such that it cost them the maximum salary cap hit for the team AND then traded him for a lesser WR who is holding out to get a new contract. [Compare and contrast with LC and S. Moss.] 4. Voluntary workouts are held and 3 Eagles decide to skip the sessions and work out on their own and their names are McNabb, Kearse and Westbrook. [I know they aren't all "working out together with their buds in Miami" like the Skins' absentees are, but think about it...] Don't you think the media would be asking the question, "What the hell are those people doing there in Philly?" Well, that's not so far off from what's been going on here. Except the Eagles have been in the Super Bowl and/or the NFC Championship Game for the last four years while the Redskins have been sitting at home with their thumbs up their collective butts for the last four Januarys. As Ricky Ricardo used to say to Lucy, this FO here has a "lot of 'splainin to do". __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

04-22-2005, 10:37 AM	#28
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? Exactly. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-22-2005, 10:41 AM	#29
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? Based on the last 4 years, any controversy surrounding the Eagles would, to me, be much easier to swallow. The Redskins on the otherhand have done nothing in 14 years and all this FO wheel-spinning and player whining gets very hard to put up with. The bottom line is the Redskins are now viewed league wide as a joke and are very heavily mortgaged against the good will of their increadibly loyal fans. They better win and they better do it quick or else their fans may foreclose on that mortgage.

04-22-2005, 10:42 AM	#30
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Redskins Front Office Have Rabbit Ears? We Redskins fans die incredibly hard. I really don't know what it would take for me to stop being a freak about them. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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