Updated Title: World Revolution 2011

12thMan · 03-20-2011, 04:01 PM

True, it's not the core issue and I'm sure no one here has lost sight of that. Still, it's relevant to the thread in terms of the "cost" of democracy. Or in this case removing a brutal autocratic regime who's time is up.

That said, casualties are and have always been a part of war. Always will be. I don't say that to be flippant, but this part of the decision making process.

firstdown · 03-20-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Not unprovoked: Qaddafy struck first

Not illegal: the action was approved by the UN and is not in violation of principles of international law

This action is nothing like the unprovoked illegal action in Iraq of March 2003.

Really so the un now has control over who we have a war with. When did we change our Constitution and how did he strike first? Last I checked we struck him first.

firstdown · 03-20-2011, 05:11 PM

Your right SS. I guess Obama did not want to be in town when starting his illegal war that is killing innocent people for oil.

Lotus · 03-20-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Really so the un now has control over who we have a war with. When did we change our Constitution and how did he strike first? Last I checked we struck him first.

This is not the same as the Iraq war. This is much more like the '90's action in Kosovo.

Give it up, dude. Your partisan arguments do not apply here.

firstdown · 03-20-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

This is not the same as the Iraq war. This is much more like the '90's action in Kosovo.

Give it up, dude. Your partisan arguments do not apply here.

Partisan? I'm just applying the lefts standards to them. Whats wrong with that? I guess they are not against nation building any more either.

I notice you use a Bill Clinton war. LOL

Souldn't we be going after the Somalia Pirates that have actual attacked us several times.

firstdown · 03-20-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

True, it's not the core issue and I'm sure no one here has lost sight of that. Still, it's relevant to the thread in terms of the "cost" of democracy. Or in this case removing a brutal autocratic regime who's time is up.

That said, casualties are and have always been a part of war. Always will be. I don't say that to be flippant, but this part of the decision making process.

Did you also hold those views about Sadam? After all he killed alot more people then this guy.

Lotus · 03-20-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Partisan? I'm just applying the lefts standards to them. Whats wrong with that? I guess they are not against nation building any more either.

I notice you use a Bill Clinton war. LOL

Souldn't we be going after the Somalia Pirates that have actual attacked us several times.

You introduced left vs. right. That's what makes it partisan. Others were just talking.

Since I am neither Republican nor Democrat, why would I not use an appropriate example from the Clinton days?

BTW I have no problem with holding the pirates accountable. When they attack Americans, their next residence should be in a US jail.

Alvin Walton · 03-20-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

You mean the unprovoked illegal war that Obama has started.

Dont you mean Bush?
Cause I heard the exact same phrase over and over years ago with his name tagged on it.

12thMan · 03-20-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Did you also hold those views about Sadam? After all he killed alot more people then this guy.

Dude what in the Sam Hill are you talking about?

firstdown · 03-20-2011, 09:15 PM

[QUOTE=12thMan;789843]Dude what in the Sam Hill are you talking about?[/Q

Hey don't bring Sam Hill into this.

Alvin Walton · 03-21-2011, 07:15 AM

I'd rather we took that Mediterranean coast line than the oil. You could jet ski back and forth to Sicily.

firstdown · 03-21-2011, 09:21 AM

I agree. If we are going to keep having illegal wars for oil like this at least lets get the price for gas down to a $1.

KLHJ2 · 03-21-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Angry, yes we spent the money for those 100, but by using them, we guarantee having to replace them far before their shelf life expires. (unless we budget buying 100 new tomahawks each year for miscellaneous usage)

Trust me, we have more in stock. We are not going to be firing up the old war machine anytime soon. We are still trying to let it cool off from the last decade. Besides we can just chalk it up to a "Live firing exercise". Hey they needed the training right?

hooskins · 03-21-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I agree. If we are going to keep having illegal wars for oil like this at least lets get the price for gas down to a $1.

Haha yupp.

12thMan · 03-21-2011, 10:53 AM

I think it's safe to say, as far as the U.S. is concerned, this is not about oil. Again, only about 2%-3% of the world's oil supply comes from Libya. If anything Europe has more strategic concerns over Libya's outcome than America.

As far as the legality of this "war" goes, I have no idea. But for Obama to wait for Congress to get it's act together after waiting weeks for the UN to pass a resolution would have been untenable, in my opinion. My guess is Congress will give Obama a pass as far as the constitutionality of this invasion goes, as long as he can clearly state our goals and mission.

Best case scenerio is for us to 'accidently' take Quadaffy out.

03-20-2011, 04:01 PM	#181
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Updated Title: World Revolution 2011 True, it's not the core issue and I'm sure no one here has lost sight of that. Still, it's relevant to the thread in terms of the "cost" of democracy. Or in this case removing a brutal autocratic regime who's time is up. That said, casualties are and have always been a part of war. Always will be. I don't say that to be flippant, but this part of the decision making process.

03-20-2011, 05:11 PM	#183
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Updated Title: World Revolution 2011 Your right SS. I guess Obama did not want to be in town when starting his illegal war that is killing innocent people for oil.

03-20-2011, 09:15 PM	#190
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Updated Title: World Revolution 2011 [QUOTE=12thMan;789843]Dude what in the Sam Hill are you talking about?[/Q Hey don't bring Sam Hill into this.

03-21-2011, 07:15 AM	#191
Alvin Walton Pro Bowl Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 5,741	Re: Updated Title: World Revolution 2011 I'd rather we took that Mediterranean coast line than the oil. You could jet ski back and forth to Sicily. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968

03-21-2011, 09:21 AM	#192
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Updated Title: World Revolution 2011 I agree. If we are going to keep having illegal wars for oil like this at least lets get the price for gas down to a $1.

03-21-2011, 10:53 AM	#195
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Updated Title: World Revolution 2011 I think it's safe to say, as far as the U.S. is concerned, this is not about oil. Again, only about 2%-3% of the world's oil supply comes from Libya. If anything Europe has more strategic concerns over Libya's outcome than America. As far as the legality of this "war" goes, I have no idea. But for Obama to wait for Congress to get it's act together after waiting weeks for the UN to pass a resolution would have been untenable, in my opinion. My guess is Congress will give Obama a pass as far as the constitutionality of this invasion goes, as long as he can clearly state our goals and mission. Best case scenerio is for us to 'accidently' take Quadaffy out.

Updated Title: World Revolution 2011

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